To think that if you cannot afford free range chicken/turkey meat and eggs...

(756 Posts)
LolaTheShowgirl Wed 27-May-09 09:31:02

...then don't buy at all?

I mean the suffering these birds go through in cramped, dirty sheds is unbelievable. There is usually no natural light and the birds are usually ill before they're culled.

If you can stomach it, please look at these:
WARNING: NOT NICE PICTURES!
HERE

A very difficult decision to make if you haven't got the money, no matter how awful the situation is for battery birds.

Not the most sensitive of posts!

IDidntRaiseAThief Wed 27-May-09 09:32:59

now where IS my hard hat (roots around under stairs)

mrsmaidamess Wed 27-May-09 09:34:07

So you are basically saying all poor people should be vegetarian?

expatinscotland Wed 27-May-09 09:34:39

Do you have children to feed, Lola?

I make a personal decision with regards to that, but unless you're there, trying to feed wee ones on a very limited budget, it's not something to judge, IMO.

MaDuggar Wed 27-May-09 09:35:01

Id rather my kids had a healthy diet that I can afford, tbh. If i didnt buy fresh meat & eggs, what would i feed my children?

pingping Wed 27-May-09 09:35:15

YABU some people can't afford these things

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion Wed 27-May-09 09:36:32

Oh dear.

One could argue that they are birds with a very small brain, and that they aren't remotely bothered by the conditions they live in.

Now pigs on the other hand...sad

I buy only free range meat, but unfortunately times are hard and if it's a choice between affording to feed my family and buying a cheap chicken it's a no brainer, I'm afraid.

I don't agree, I think if someone is broke and a roast chicken is one way of cheering the family up and giving them something that everyone likes, the benefit of that is great enough to justify it.
It's easy to avoid battery farmed stuff if you have plenty of money to spend on food (I don't buy it myself) but FGS let's not feel superior about it or start preaching to people with less money about how they can spend it.

edam Wed 27-May-09 09:36:54

Interesting moral argument here. Part of the problem is as the country has got richer, everyone has started to treat meat as an everyday item. Back in the 50s or 60s or earlier, you didn't necessarily expect to eat meat at every meal.

That's why Yorkshire puddings were invented - batter and gravy were a cheap way of filling the family up before serving any meat.

insertwittynicknameHERE Wed 27-May-09 09:38:10

hmm

YABU, I buy what I can afford so that I can feed my family a varied, healthy diet. Just because we cannot afford to buy organic doesn't mean we should not have meat.

Although I do buy my eggs from a local farm shop who have their own free range chickens, but only because DD loves eggs and the farm shop ones are cheap.

Morloth Wed 27-May-09 09:38:23

I think children's tummies being full is more important than the suffering of birds and animals.

Personally I only buy organic free range, and we don't eat meat everyday in any case. However, we are wealthy and so I feel an obligation to do so as I can afford to.

Animals are important and do deserve respect, but in my opinion humans outrank them. Evolution in action.

notnowbernard Wed 27-May-09 09:39:06

Interesting point, Edam

We could probably all do with eating less meat. If we had it only 2-3 times per week, we could afford decent stuff and get healthier too

Now, ideas on how to convince DP, please...

hmm not sure. I have seen a lot of people on the food thriftthread buying less meat/buying free range/happy chickens but buying less often.

Free range eggs on't cost an awful lot more, especially if they are locally produced. 99p for 6 large in my local organic veggie shop. I would never not buy them.

I don't eatmeat anyway but I buy a free range bird for the family maybe once every two or three weeks. At twice the price of a regular chicken we just buy them half as often.

FabulousBakerGirl Wed 27-May-09 09:39:20

YABU, rude, naive and very silly tbh.

expatinscotland Wed 27-May-09 09:39:32

But she's seeing hte eggs have to be free range, too, edam. So there go the Yorkshire puds .

Is Spam free-range? John West tuna?

I know my gran had a tight budget, and she'd make Spam fritters and Spam with tomoatoes and peppers and onions as a meal.

HecatesTwopenceworth Wed 27-May-09 09:39:39

Yes. unreasonable. Ideally you buy free range, and organic, but at the end of the day - chickens don't matter more than your children. And if all you can afford is cheap food, then that's what you get.

If you are feeding your kids on all Value range products, and you don't give them anything that is not raised ethically - what do your kids eat? Live on potatoes?

No, sorry. You do what you have to do. I know you don't have kids Lola, and I don't mean this to be patronising, but when/if you have children and if you are ever in the terrible position - like I have been - of trying to feed them on £25 a week, trust me when I tell you that the very last thing you will give a shit about, is how a chicken lived out its days.

southeastastra Wed 27-May-09 09:39:55

start by blaming the supermakets imo rather than buying public.

expatinscotland Wed 27-May-09 09:40:06

sorry, saying the eggs (am watching 'Real Rescues' here).

Morloth Wed 27-May-09 09:42:15

Hang on, there are eggs in yorkshire puddings?

edam Wed 27-May-09 09:42:21

OK, here's a challenge for all the MNers who like meal planning: can you come up with an affordable weekly plan that is cruelty free?

Someone who has a very tight budget should set the target amount and MNers who cook can come up with the ideas.

(I'm veggie so have no ideas about how to afford meat.)

KingRolo Wed 27-May-09 09:43:11

Very good point from edam there.

I'll happily feed the family cheaper veggie based stuff for four days a week so we can have decent quality, free range meat (or fish) the other three.

grumblinalong Wed 27-May-09 09:44:02

YABVU and really rude. Some people can't afford to buy anything but the cheapest meat. It's not a good feeling but it's life. Do you really think it's helpful to point out that they can't afford to make the best decisions in life?

MaDuggar Wed 27-May-09 09:44:05

£25 for a family of 4, for a week grin

dietstartstomorrow Wed 27-May-09 09:44:05

I kind of agree. I only free-range stuff or nothing at all.

I think the way that they treat factory reared birds is cruel and it should be stopped all together. If it's stopped, it will take away the choice.

We should never have got to a place where it is ok to buy a whole chicken for £1.99, now people think £6-7 is expensive, when really that should be the cost.

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