Farage v trump

(45 Posts)
Beautifulbabyboy Mon 14-Nov-16 12:57:53

Friends of mine who voted for Brexit and Farage, are shocked and outraged that Trump has been elected in the USA. I am a bit hmm about this... both employed racist and decisive arguments during their campaigns etc. Thoughts please?

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 14-Nov-16 12:58:20

That should devisive!

KingJoffreysRestingCuntface Mon 14-Nov-16 13:01:39

They might just really dislike his hair.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:01:43

Uh oh. I'm a remainer, but there's a big difference here. People did have some reasonable reasons for voting to leave the EU that didn't involve stupidity and racism. It was a complex issue.
Not so with Trump. You knew what you were getting with Trump; he was endorsed by the KKK, made mad promises with no basis in reality, surrounded himself with mad alt-right types, and said some truly horrible things.

Blossomdeary Mon 14-Nov-16 13:03:05

CockacidalManiac - indeed so.

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 14-Nov-16 13:05:58

Farage was racist, he depicted a line of refugees escaping war as economic migrants, and claimed that the whole of turkey was going to invade the U.K. Everything he said was a lie. I don't see the difference.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:08:01

Farage was only one part of the argument for Brexit. There was potentially argument to be be made for leaving the EU from left or right of the political spectrum.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:08:30

Yes, Farage is a cunt though.

Landoni112 Mon 14-Nov-16 13:14:14

I can't understand people who voted out of the EU being against anything Trump believes in, the message is the same IMHO

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 14-Nov-16 13:14:35

I think the problem I have is that all the people I know who voted to leave, when they say they didn't do it for racist reasons, when I ask them to name specific European laws they dislike and how the European Parliament is constituted look at me dumbfounded, which only serves to confirm in my head that they did it for racist reasons. Hence Trump = Farage.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:16:48

I know people who voted to leave the EU as they see it as a neoliberal club that has shafted the Greeks and Spanish. I also know someone who just sees it as antidemocratic and voted Leave.
I don't happen to agree with either of these viewpoints, but neither stem from racism.

tabulahrasa Mon 14-Nov-16 13:17:12

But the brexit vote wasn't actually a vote for Farage...

He wasn't being elected and the issue wasn't just, vote for him or someone else, it was a way more complicated question than that.

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 14-Nov-16 13:18:55

Thanks for the alternate view. Am actually looking for reasons not to fall out with my friends!

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:22:42

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StrawberrySquash Mon 14-Nov-16 13:22:55

I have a friend whose political views I am mostly aligned with who voted to leave. He did it for left wing reasons, not racist ones, knowing him. We've not actually had the conversation, but I'd be interested to know how he feels about that vote now.

BishopBrennansArse Mon 14-Nov-16 13:24:07

Farage carefully cultivates the 'geezer next door' pint and fag character, which really isn't him, it's all snake oil but some people in this country relate to that persona. He markets himself as 'one of us'.

Trump doesn't even try to do that. He's $$$ tasting, the property empire, golf courses, private jets, fake tan, combover.

People will accept racism and misogyny from the former but not the latter.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:24:50

Don't get me wrong; I believe that Brexit is the greatest act of self harm since WW2. I appreciate that people had reasons other than racism to vote Leave, however. Do they regret it now? Perhaps.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:31:04

Farage carefully cultivates the 'geezer next door' pint and fag character, which really isn't him, it's all snake oil but some people in this country relate to that persona. He markets himself as 'one of us'.

Trump doesn't even try to do that. He's $$$ tasting, the property empire, golf courses, private jets, fake tan, combover.

People will accept racism and misogyny from the former but not the latter.

Well, as they've just elected him to the Presidency, it looks like they have.

BishopBrennansArse Mon 14-Nov-16 13:31:52

I don't know. Many people I know who voted leave don't regret it.
Most of them did it for the NHS but are still ok with their decision now the lie has been exposed.

BishopBrennansArse Mon 14-Nov-16 13:32:46

I'm talking about the friends mentioned in the OP, Cocka. The ones who support Farage but not Trump.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:33:16

Most of them did it for the NHS but are still ok with their decision now the lie has been exposed.

It takes a lot of courage to admit that you've been thoroughly conned though.

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:34:04

Ah, I see. I misunderstood. Sorry, Len!

BishopBrennansArse Mon 14-Nov-16 13:34:58

DON'T CALL ME LEN! angry

wink

CockacidalManiac Mon 14-Nov-16 13:35:20

grin

Overrunwithlego Mon 14-Nov-16 13:36:33

I understand where you are coming from OP. The rational part of me understands there were a wide range of reasons people voted Brexit and it is plain wrong to say all leavers are racist / sexist etc. I expect there were also reasons people voted for Trump that weren't racist / sexist etc. However in both scenarios racism, sexism, islamophobia etc - whilst being an entirely predictable consequence of both Brexit and Trump - were not a deal breaker for those who voted for them. In that way I think they are very similar.

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