to think Trump winning takes the heat away from Brexit

(38 Posts)
2Bottledup Wed 09-Nov-16 10:47:08

I'm just wondering if Trump winning will mean that the focus is away from Brexit and maybe the pound will recover a bit and what is happening in the UK won't seem so bad.

I don't know anything about economics, etc so I'm wondering if this isn't a bad thing for the UK even in the short term. Can people please explain how they think it will affect the UK wrt Brexit.

Thanks.

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 10:48:39

It won't make the £ recover against the euro but the $ is tumbling.

It won't affect Brexit directly (i.e. there's still no guarantee that Brexit will happen).

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair Wed 09-Nov-16 10:51:35

Brexit will happen, we all know it. Trump will give it some validation as he's publicly stated he will negotiate a trade deal with us.

But as Brexit is a disaster waiting to happen it's hardly the validation we need.

The bigger question is what will happen with NATO, North Korea, climate protection, women's rights, Mexico. It's shit, all shit and I can't help feeling we kicked it off with the Brexit vote.

AlexaTwoAtT Wed 09-Nov-16 10:56:37

Anyone who voted for "Brexit" - but didn't really know what that meant but is sorry now and wants another go - have another round of applause.

2Bottledup Wed 09-Nov-16 11:05:35

Thanks for replying. I'm not trying to be goady, I am genuinely interested in how this will affect us in the UK. I think this year has been a strange year all around and I feel that many votes (on both issues) are protest votes against the establishment. I think ordinary people are fed up of not being heard, and this is the result.

I wonder if Brexit wasn't in the news so much (especially in a negative way) if things such as the strength of the pound would improve a bit.

My thoughts are that as long as we keep talking negatively about Brexit we look unstable and so other countries and businesses, etc, pull away from us and so the currency falls, etc.

Atm, seeing as Brexit is happening whether we like it or not, I wonder if it's better to present a positive front so others have confidence in us. Trump winning takes the focus off of us and could maybe allow this to happen.

I'm hoping others can educate me on how one could affect the other. Thanks.

2Bottledup Wed 09-Nov-16 11:06:35

rebecca, how do you think it will affect NATO, etc?

2Bottledup Wed 09-Nov-16 11:10:04

Also, do you think there will be a lot of people walking up today thinking "oh, shit!" I only voted for Trump as a protest, but I never thought he'd actually get in (a bit like Brexit)?

2Bottledup Wed 09-Nov-16 11:10:35

waking, not walking, bloody auto correct.

CaptainBrickbeard Wed 09-Nov-16 11:11:11

The pound isn't plummeting because we talk negatively about the fucking disaster that is Brexit; it's falling because Brexit is clearly a really fucking stupid idea. Presenting a united front is meaningless drivel. The US election has plunged the markets into deeper turmoil because it creates further uncertainty. It doesn't mean anything positive for Britain or the pound. It makes the whole world worse off, it doesn't balance anything out. Brexit is bad news for the economy and Trump is bad news for the economy. What would be good for the pound is if we scrapped Brexit, which obviously won't happen.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair Wed 09-Nov-16 11:11:49

He's said that he thinks it's a useless and outdated organisation. He thinks other countries should pay their required 2% and/or the US shouldn't pay the majority, he doesn't want confrontation with Russia, he won't commit to protecting Ukraine and the Baltic States.

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:14:03

It's not obvious that Brexit will happen.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair Wed 09-Nov-16 11:14:54

How is it not obvious?

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:15:23

Wasn't NATO the Brexit safety net? "We won't need the EU for security/peace when we have NATO."

What about when NATO is gone cretins?

MrsMook Wed 09-Nov-16 11:15:47

This isn't an American reaction to the Brexit vote as the masses that have voted for Trump on xenophobic, misogynist rhetoric won't be sufficiently informed of world affairs to follow British/ European politics. The USA and North America are of sufficient size and population to dominate domestic news, and there is less interest in world affairs than we are used to in the UK.

It is a reaction to the same anti-globalisation/ anti-capitalist disillusionment that was a major factor in the Brexit vote. There is plenty of similar sentiment across Europe.

The irony is that had Obama not been continually constrained by a dominance of Trump's party in the senate, then Obama could have been more productive at improving the lot of impoverished Americans.

I utterly fail to comprehend how Trump will actually have any concept of improving life for the underclasses of the USA.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 09-Nov-16 11:16:12

Trump makes Brexit worse. We need to be part of a large influential bloc to have any chance of standing up to his insanity.

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:16:29

Because MPs will be able to vote it down (and with the requirement of them to act in the best interests of their constituents there's every chance enough will vote no to triggering Article 50).

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 09-Nov-16 11:17:49

I think that is unlikely. I think Brexit will almost certainly happen, for England and Wales at least, it is the form that it takes that is uncertain.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair Wed 09-Nov-16 11:18:26

I think that's rather a vain hope HeCantBeSerious I genuinely do. As their constituents voted for Brexit they can hardly argue it's in their best interests to override them.

honeyroar Wed 09-Nov-16 11:21:22

Brexit will happen. And that's from a remain voter. This USA vote may boost the £ against the $ for a little while (which would help me for a short while, I've lost £££ in currency changes since Brexit).

The world has gone mad, the lunatics have taken over the asylum. People don't know how much these protest votes will change the world.

Nigel Farage is a scarily persuasive bloke. He was over there canvassing for Trump. He'll be predicting Xfactor next!

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:42:45

I think that's rather a vain hope HeCantBeSerious I genuinely do. As their constituents voted for Brexit they can hardly argue it's in their best interests to override them.

They currently only have the opinion of c65% of their constituents on a given day. What if current opinion is different? What if 60% now want to remain? Should they still vote to trigger Article 50? (I'm involved with groups trying to deal with this issue.)

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:44:01

Human brains are shrinking. 50% of a given population is below average intelligence.

Never mind climate change: these actions will doom the human race.

FleurThomas Wed 09-Nov-16 11:46:24

Brexit itself isn't a negative. To the contrary because leaving the EU allows the UK to compete a bit better for global jobs etc hence why alot of big companies are investing/building big HQs here. It's the uncertainty behind it that's damaging.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair Wed 09-Nov-16 11:46:40

I'm a remainer and would absolutely love the vote to be over-turned ... but I don't see how it can be without causing absolute chaos and disruption to the democratic rights of the population.

I also think there will be massive chaos and disruption once Art 50 is triggered sad

And massive chaos and disruption if a second vote is held and the original result is over-turned sad sad sad

Keep up the campaigning though, thank God there are people like you to take on the fight flowers

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:48:52

Brexit itself isn't a negative. To the contrary because leaving the EU allows the UK to compete a bit better for global jobs etc hence why alot of big companies are investing/building big HQs here.

Which big companies? Plenty have withdrawn plans such as these. What about those that are leaving?

HeCantBeSerious Wed 09-Nov-16 11:53:25

I don't see how it can be without causing absolute chaos and disruption to the democratic rights of the population.

There's no democracy in opinion polls (referenda). The failure of the people to understand the systems used in this country ("I didn't think my vote would count") shouldn't prevent our elected individuals making decisions based on truth and fact. If it's not in the UK's interests to leave then MPs should not vote for it!

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