Ian it unreasonable to opera sing all weekend when you live in a flat.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

We have children so have some moments of noise and 'PUT YOUR SHOES ON!' but we're way way past the baby crying or toddler tantrum stages so generally ok.


The man above lives alone and opera sings all fucking weekend long. It's ridiculous.

The other night he woke me up at nearly 11pm. I thought I'd put a polite note through his door the next day asking to keep it to earlier in the day. Then I fell asleep. He woke me again at sometime after 11pm and all reasonability in me had gone and I used the broom and hit it on the ceiling.

Now I'm generally just sick of it. He spends all bastard weekend doing it. We can't get away from it.

Think full on, Pavarotti style bellowing.

I mean, if that's his thing he has to practice. But still.

AIBU?

[EyeOfTheVampire]

Is. not Ian.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

WWYD.
Anyone?!

[VestalVirgin]

I think there's laws on how long one is allowed to be noisy in the evenings and on weekends? Or is that just Germany?

[WildDigestive]

How loud is it? If it's loud enough to be a real disturbance, then I assume your options are the same as if it was someone blasting loud music or holding deafening parties.

[WildDigestive]

We lived next door to a concert pianist when we lived in south London, and thought he did practice for hours and hours at a time (when I was working from home), it was always during daytime.

[AChickenCalledKorma]

Try your local council's environmental health team for advice on what is generally regarded as reasonable and how to take it further if he's not willing to discuss the problem. But do try and actually discuss with him first. Not just a note through the door.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

It's very VERY loud.

You can hear a normal level conversation and make out the words. So a bellowing opera singing person is beyond painful.

I go into every room in the flat and I can't get away from it. And it's a big flat as well.

[jellycat1]

Is he any good?!

[EyeOfTheVampire]

I think he's awful. But perhaps that's because it's so unpleasant to have listen to all weekend.

[WorraLiberty]

Does he disturb other neighbours too?

[LikeDylanInTheMovies]

Oh god you are so NBU. Before we married my wife moved into a flat share with a woman who was a professional Opera Singer. She never fucking stopped with her dreadful caterwauling. When she moved in I think she realised she'd spend some time practising and said opera singer had all day when my now wife was at work. But no, seemingly 9 hours a day wasn't enough and there was a constant barrage of screeching. When I stayed I could barely stand it, but how she coped morning, noon and night I'll never know.

[cherryplumbanana]

It would drive me nuts, but in the UK there's not much you can do during the day. It's even difficult to ask someone to be quiet during the day, I might do it during the kids naps, but that's it. 11pm is far too late, I would ask him to be quiet then.

With noisy neighbours, I reciprocate: start cooking at 6am on a Sunday, LOUDLY banging things for example. They normally get the message.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

I'm not sure Worra I need to ask them. You can hear it from the bottom of the stair well and it echoes all up the stairs (he's the top flat) so they all would have heard him at least before they entered their own properties.
I need to ask the guy who lives opposite him.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

I can't make noise back though because this would disturb my other neighbours.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

Plus most of my neighbours are retired and at home all day. At least I work during the week so don't have to put up with it.

I'm changing jobs soon and will be working nights. 😫😫

[Doobigetta]

Check your lease. Ours has a clause about no noise at all traveling outside your own flat after 11pm. if your has similar, you've got clear grounds for saying he needs to stop.

[EyeOfTheVampire]

To be honest my real issue is the weekend singing.
The 'past 11pm' thing if that happens again I'll go round there. I know that's unreasonable.

[ShoeEatingMonster]

I'm sure when we rented there was a clause about singing. I remember thinking that was really strange and who on earth would do that but clearly your neighbour does!!!

[EyeOfTheVampire]

We rent but he owns.

[normage]

That's not acceptable at all. I thought 9pm was a cut off point in law for things like musical instruments and Hoovers. I struggle with this issue on a daily basis as my dh plays the piano for hours on end and I have an almost daily battle to get him to stop when dc are going to bed. The piano is against an outside wall and we have lovely neighbours, but I wouldn't mind if they did complain! He may have a long suffering dp who would be delighted if you complained.

[strugglingbutsurviving]

He should rent a practice room or ask to borrow a Church hall or something. I studied classical singing for a while (never finished my studies- long story) and I had to do things like renting rooms in churches to practice in. I was living in digs with very thin walls at the time and had no space for a piano either

[strugglingbutsurviving]

normage, I think it is 11pm in law. At least that is what i have been told.

[charlestonchaplin]

I cook in the middle of the night sometimes. Would it bother people to have food smells wafting in through open windows at 4am?

[TheCatsMother99]

Most, if not all, leases have noise clauses with state times when noise audible from outside each apartment is permitted. If (as I suspect) there breaching these covenants then speak to your managing agent. Or even better yet, if you don't have your lease to hand, just ask your managing agent as they'll have a lease and can quickly check. The agent should then contact the other occupant and ask them to stop.