To think NHS time wasters should be billed and have to pay?

(92 Posts)
YellowSunny Tue 30-Aug-16 16:28:46

The ones that call for an ambulance when it isn't needed (to take them home when they're drunk) should be billed for it? So they pay the £500 (whatever it costs) and people in prison should have to pay for their dental care (DD got a procedure done and had to tick she was in full time education and that's why she got it free, but there was one for people in prison!!! I never knew this) so when they're released they should be billed? Surely it would make a lot of sense. Yes, it may cause more work, but surely it should save the NHS some money?

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 30-Aug-16 16:31:02

People who don't turn up for appointments, yes.

MaudGonneMad Tue 30-Aug-16 16:35:38

People in prison aren't NHS time-wasters

YellowSunny Tue 30-Aug-16 16:37:26

No, I know but then added that after I wrote about the time wasters.

Athenia Tue 30-Aug-16 16:41:19

Totally agree. Add to that the spongers who come here for free NHS treatment and then bugger off home.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Tue 30-Aug-16 16:43:56

YABU. If people are worried about being charged for wasting NHS time they may not seek help when they actually need it.

And if course people in prison should get free dental care - how do you expect them to fund their treatment?

x2boys Tue 30-Aug-16 16:44:26

well people in prison are entitled to NHS care just like everyone else how do you propose they pay for it when they come out as presumably they wont be working straight away and on certain benefits so able to get free dental care anyway?

madein1995 Tue 30-Aug-16 16:44:29

Completely agree. I really don't think prisoners should get free dentistry when the rest of the country doesn't

YellowSunny Tue 30-Aug-16 16:45:37

Its, oh come on, it's obviously not going to be for the worried mums who want to just double check, etc. It's for the ones deliberately abusing the system. I also explained how they would pay hmm once they're released... They should be billed. If they're not ever going to be released, their crime must have been awful and they shouldn't get dental treatment anyway.

madein1995 Tue 30-Aug-16 16:46:29

I do think though it should be for missing appointments rather than phoning when not needed. I think prisoners should get free dentistry when inside but repay it by a tiny % when out and earning. Kind of like the student loan system

x2boys Tue 30-Aug-16 16:46:40

well some people do madein ,people on qualifying benefits ,mothers who are pregnant or have a baby under a yr old children and students etc.

MaudGonneMad Tue 30-Aug-16 16:47:28

If they're not ever going to be released, their crime must have been awful and they shouldn't get dental treatment anyway.

By that logic, prisoners shouldn't get medical treatment either. Is that what you're suggesting?

YellowSunny Tue 30-Aug-16 16:47:31

So you think it's okay for an ambulance to be sent and then realise the person had lied as they just wanted a lift home is not as bad as missing an appointment??!!

AppleSetsSail Tue 30-Aug-16 16:47:33

YABU. If people are worried about being charged for wasting NHS time they may not seek help when they actually need it.

It's not much to worry about. If you make an appointment, just be sure to go.

Dontyoulovecalpol Tue 30-Aug-16 16:47:56

It's so easy to say this but what does it mean in reality? I get invoiced, do I have to to pay it? No, of course not. You have to use the legal process to make me pay. So it becomes an entire admin process, and more than likely won't be worth enforcement for £500. Plus many people who time waste have mental illnesses or other vulnerabilities.
Not to mention people who don't have incomes- what do you expect prisoners to pay WITH?

Buzzardbird Tue 30-Aug-16 16:48:02

How very right-wing of you. Welcome to MN OP

Eatthecake Tue 30-Aug-16 16:48:33

People that don't turn up for appointments and can't be asked to cancel should be fined!
The times I'm sat in the waiting room and the name before me is called 3-4 times where the person just hasn't bothered to cancel, it's like they don't realise that appointment would do for somebody else- selfish so and so's

YellowSunny Tue 30-Aug-16 16:48:54

I'm not new to Mumsnet, I name changed.

x2boys Tue 30-Aug-16 16:49:43

yes but when people are released from prison they often dont start work straight away so would be on qualifying benefits entitlong them to free dental care.

anyname123 Tue 30-Aug-16 16:50:13

On a slight tangent, but still related, I think people should be turned away from A&E I they have neither an accident nor an emergency. People whining of FB "6 hours to see a Doctor ffs" etc etc. I'd love to see people immediately screened then sent away to pharmacist / GP etc.
And the folk who don't want to but Calpol / paracetamol etc so go to the GP for a prescription. Cost of GP time + prescription lands up costing the NHS about £50 for a bottle of calpol. Gaaargh

Dontyoulovecalpol Tue 30-Aug-16 16:51:27

People should be asked to leave A&E if they need calpol, however I strongly suspect they usually are (after all that's what the triage system is for)

Zippydoodah Tue 30-Aug-16 16:51:38

I wouldn't fancy working in a prison full of people with toothache. There would be riots and can you imagine the attempt at diy treatments

FiveGoMadInDorset Tue 30-Aug-16 16:54:14

Prison healthcare have a contract with dentists, opticians, doctors etc to provide care for prisoners, so they get paid to supply their services.

Idliketobeabutterfly Tue 30-Aug-16 16:54:41

I think people missing them as they never get the bloody letters need to be excused too.

BorpBorpBorp Tue 30-Aug-16 16:55:44

Everybody should have access to healthcare. Billing people for missing appointments, charging people for ambulances etc. will limit people's access to healthcare.

Often, the people who don't show up to appointments are the most vulnerable - they might have mental/physical health problems that flare up and make them unable to go (and unable to call to cancel). They may not have the wherewithall to keep track of appointments effectively. Charging them would make them less likely to book the appointments in the first place.

The idea that prisoners should rack up bills for their dental treatment and then pay them while they're out is ludicrous. Why not just bill them for their stay at Her Majesty's pleasure? Then when they can't pay, send them to debtor's prison and charge them for that!

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