Banned from keeping animals for life

(28 Posts)
NeedACleverNN Tue 16-Aug-16 21:28:33

Just watched the dog rescuers and a common punishment for those found guilty of animal abuse, is usually being banned from keeping animals for life.

How is this actually policed? If you moved to the other end of the country, changed your name and went to a local back yard breeder for a dog, no one would know would they?

AIBU to think this punishment is not adequate?

VladmirsPoutine Tue 16-Aug-16 21:31:06

What do you suggest?

NeedACleverNN Tue 16-Aug-16 21:33:00

A decent prison sentence for one

16 weeks suspended sentence is not really a punishment is it?

ThymeLord Tue 16-Aug-16 21:33:05

It's a ridiculous punishment IMO, utterly pointless. As if Joe Bloggs backyard breeder checks who he sells his dogs or cats to. It's totally unregulated and anyone with the cash can walk away with a new dog/whatever pet to further abuse. Pisstake angry

acasualobserver Tue 16-Aug-16 21:33:22

I suppose the same could be said of drunks who are banned from driving or sex offenders from using the Internet.

GerryAndPerry Tue 16-Aug-16 21:38:24

Would you rather they weren't banned from keeping animals? A suspended prison sentence is still a prison sentence - they'll have fun trying to get a job/travelling (forget USA etc) and if they try to get an animal and are found out while they are on the suspended sentence (they will be in contact with probation throughout) they will be sent to prison.
A ban on keeping animals is the best way animals can be protected from these people, even if they had a short term in prison there would be nothing to stop them getting an animal when they get out otherwise.

AppleSetsSail Tue 16-Aug-16 21:40:02

It's not enforced. My dog was attacked (nearly killed) by a banned breed and the owner in question was banned from owning dogs for life - he has a dog again. I see him all the time with the dog.

While we're at it, we also had our car stolen a couple of years ago - this fellow was caught in the commission of another car theft - his punishment was a £140 fine. Mind you I've just sent off £400 for going 38 in a 30.

What a pathetic criminal justice system we have here in the UK.

BestZebbie Tue 16-Aug-16 21:40:32

Yes, the point of it isn't so much that the ban actually prevents them getting more animals but that it makes it easier to do something about it legally to protect those when they inevitably do get more and someone reports them again.

NeedACleverNN Tue 16-Aug-16 21:42:10

Would you rather they weren't banned from keeping animals?

I don't mind that they are banned. It's just so unenforceable that it seems to be no point to it apart from if they are caught again.

AppleSetsSail Tue 16-Aug-16 21:43:16

Yes, the point of it isn't so much that the ban actually prevents them getting more animals but that it makes it easier to do something about it legally to protect those when they inevitably do get more and someone reports them again.

It hardly matters. If the dog wardens show up at their house, they'll say the dog belongs to someone else. If they live alone, they'll find a friend to say it's theirs.

Kpo58 Tue 16-Aug-16 21:43:17

I don't see the point of suspended sentences. You might as well as not sentenced them as it's no real punishment.

Trashbox Tue 16-Aug-16 21:43:57

They should be taken outside and pelted with rotten fruit! angry

GahBuggerit Tue 16-Aug-16 21:44:18

i agree op, id like to see prison sentences, bigger fines, and more checks made on those banned but there arent the resources.

cant get my head around people who abuse their pets, they are so helpless and reliant on their owners, makes me shudder to think whatelse they would be capable of angry

SemiNormal Tue 16-Aug-16 22:07:57

Trashbox - Oh yes, but what about THEIR human rights!! angry

Anyone who hurts animals should get the same as what they'd get if it was a child, both are vulnerable and cannot speak out for themselves! I despise anyone who hurts animals.

AnotherPrickInTheWall Tue 16-Aug-16 22:08:17

A man was killed recently by a dog in Huddersfield. It had attacked before and placed in a pound by police,but wasn't categorised as a dangerous breed so was released.

ToastDemon Tue 16-Aug-16 22:10:29

Bugger rotten fruit, I would throw rocks at them.

GerryAndPerry Tue 16-Aug-16 22:14:43

ApplesetsSail - have you reported this man to the police? If not, why not?

kali110 Tue 16-Aug-16 22:15:37

There should be tougher sentences. 6 months in prison, suspended, or fines are a joke angry
Banned from keeping animals is joke too because nobody ever checks!

DearMrDilkington Tue 16-Aug-16 22:21:23

I personally think the law should be anyone who wants to own an animal needs to pay a licence and to gain the licence they have to pass a test on the breed of animal they get. Not fair on responsible pet owners but might stop some of neglect and stop people buying animals as Christmas presents for their children that end up in a rescue centre by easter.

GerryAndPerry Tue 16-Aug-16 22:22:52

OP you don't see any point in the ban?
How about flaunting it gives the police immediate right to remove the animals (whether they are being treated cruelly or not). The person will be also be in breach of a court order and liable for further punishment.
I'm interested to see apple's response to whether they have notified the police, because people who know the person is banned, reporting that the offender has an animal again to the police is exactly how the police can enforce a court order.
Everyone knows the police don't have time to monitor potential criminal behaviour but if you see it and know they won't know, it's your responsibility to do something about it.
Or write to your MP, volunteer to become a magistrate, try and DO something rather than moaning about how crap the legal system is and doing NOTHING.

CalleighDoodle Tue 16-Aug-16 22:23:21

I know of this being enforced. My friend was told by her stepson that his other parent had a dog, friend phoned the relevant peoeple and dog was immediately removed.

GabsAlot Tue 16-Aug-16 22:41:38

yes but calleigh someone has to know and then grass u up it snot polliced

animals rights arent treated like ours dont kow anyone who actually got a decent sentence for abuse of animals in this country

CalleighDoodle Tue 16-Aug-16 22:51:34

But the op does know. So it will be dealt with.

CalleighDoodle Tue 16-Aug-16 22:53:09

Not op sorry. apple

AppleSetsSail Thu 18-Aug-16 10:25:55

Or write to your MP, volunteer to become a magistrate, try and DO something rather than moaning about how crap the legal system is and doing NOTHING.

You mean nothing apart from paying taxes?

No, I've not reported this to the police. I've long since given up with respect to dogs in London. If you even go so far as to film someone in my borough (LBHF) mistreating an animal, teaching then to fight, letting them poo without cleaning it up, etc and hand it over to the dog warden, they'll tell you that they cannot act on filmed evidence - it has to be observed by a warden.

There are virtually no dog wardens about.

I've visited my MP's surgery a few times, he agrees that the dog situation is bad. Not much consolation!

Join the discussion

Join the discussion

Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Register now