to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

[teaandcake789]

So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

[mouldycheesefan]

He has been a hopeless disaster as a leader in many ways and failed to land a punch despite all the issues the to rise have had e.g doctors strike, Panama scandal, brexit. Pragmatically labour would definitely lose a general election with him at the helm so he has to go. Sure he is a lovely man, but hopeless leader.

[JessaHanna]

I think New Labour contributed to the leave vote... Will they not learn that it is possibly them that need to change, not the people who keep them in jobs.

Also on Corbyn - labour members voted for him. PLP should listen to us once in a while.

[KeepsAwayTheNargles]

YANBU

[JessaHanna]

By the way I voted for a different Labour Leader...

The whole thing is a mess. Everything.

[BuggerLumpsAnnoyed]

I'm leaving the party if he's ousted. Absolutely disgusting opportunism and incredibly undemocratic. The Labour MPs need to listen to the party.

[howabout]

YANBU

DD1 suggested the Conservatives should have £3 membership to increase the legitimacy of their new leader and defer a GE. I would prefer an early GE with Corbyn in charge of the LP and anyone but DC and GO on the other side. Interesting that the Blairites would rather continue their own sniping than unite against austerity even though JC has a people's mandate.

[JessaHanna]

I get the feeling that the Labour MPs think they know best. Quite clearly not...

A lot are career politicians, are they thinking of their jobs more that those who elected them?

Sorry if my written English is dodgy today

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

YANBU. I can't quite understand how the morning after a Leave vote; when the PM has just announced he is going to resign, that Labour MPs decided what the country needed was more uncertainty concerning who would be Labour leader.

This pig-headedness on the part of the Labour Party is breathtaking. Despite the fact that traditional Labour voters voted Leave, the Labour Party are no doubt going to try to replace Corbyn with someone who was staunchly Remain. They are completely divorced from reality and from their traditional voters.

And,I guess the irony is that they think their machinations aren't blatantly apparent to absolutely everyone.They have never accepted that the membership wanted Corbyn and have been trying to oust him ever since.

[JessaHanna]

Can we all stand as independents I the General Election (if there is one) and oust them?

(Half joking)

[goddessofsmallthings]

My ears may have deceived me, but I'm sure I heard a BBC announcer say that Jezza has pulled out of an appearance at Glastonbury this weekend. WTAF? Was he one of the headline acts?

[goddessofsmallthings]

I'd like to see a resurrection of the Nun of the Above party, Jessa.

[TheDuchessOfArbroathsHat]

Corbyn's position of 'Remain' was half-arsed, significantly at odds with the will of a large percentage of Labour voters and frankly, he looked as though he'd rather be at home in his carpet slippers re-reading the Communist Manifesto. Of course he has to go. He should jump before he's pushed but he's not honourable enough.

[JessaHanna]

Goddess - am off to Google...

Duchess -

[Bubbinsmakesthree]

Anyone who was pro-remain and is also pro-Corbyn needs to have a good hard think about that.

This is what happens when you have a leader of major political party who is ideologically out of step with the vast majority of the electorate and has neither the strategic skill nor the charisma that would be need to persuade them otherwise.

If we had a different Labour leader who had mounted an impassioned defence of the EU we wouldn't be staring into the abyss today. Yes of course if we are going to blame politicians it mostly about Cameron's idiotic choices, Boris's political ambition and Farage's exploitation of a side of public sentiment that is is reckless to stoke. But Labour isn't responsible for that. It is responsible for it's own leader though.

[KidLorneRoll]

I like Corbyn and his politics but the fact is he is utterly ineffective as a leader of the opposition. His appointment, along with Ed before him, was as much a part of the result yesterday as the one Cameron played.

[JessaHanna]

But it's not just Corbyn - it's the Labour Party as a whole. Why is he being singled out by the PLP? They should be looking at themselves as well.

They've just wheeled out Caroline Flint on News 24. It's the same old - must engage more, most have honest conversation about immigration blah blah blah.

When will this happen? Has anyone here been to a CLP meeting lately?

They need a bloody good shake up. And I hope it happens soon.

I'm absolutely shocked at the outcome of the referendum

[JessaHanna]

*Must not most

[WinnieFosterTether]

when you have a leader of major political party who is ideologically out of step with the vast majority of the electorate
Except he isn't really, is he? Because JC was anti-EU until he became Leader and was strong-armed into declaring the party position of Remain. If the Blairites had allowed JC to present the Left's arguments for Leave then, for the first time in ages, the Labour Party would have found itself ideologically in step with the majority of middle England Labour voters (who voted Leave). However, rather than actually take into account the fact that Labour members had voted for JC (and arguably were aware of his views of the EU when they did so) the Blairites decided they knew better.

And the worrying part is that, even now, they are still exhibiting the same approach, which means all those middle England Labour voters who opted to vote Leave do not have a party that represents them and, even more worryingly, that means there is no effective opposition to temper the Conservative's right-wing tendencies and influence the leave negotiations.

[Bubbinsmakesthree]

Yes good point really Jessa - Corbyn is a symptom, not the root cause. If Labour hadn't alienated so many supporters and failed to present a decent unifying vision, we'd never have had the groundswell of support for a candidate who was so wholly unsuitable for leadership in the first place.

Nevertheless we are where we are and we can't view Corbyn as a well-meaning, benign presence. His leadership has to bear some of the responsibility for the outcome of the referendum . I'd be thinking about a motion of no confidence too if I were a Labour MP. There's only so long this can continue.

[GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER]

There will be a general election in the not too distant, and Corbyn will not win it for Labour. He might be an honest, genuine, nice bloke, but he is not a leader.

Assuming you are a Labour supporter, OP, would you prefer that Labour left Corbyn there and lost yet another general election?

[howabout]

GETTING I am not sure if you are right about whether JC could win or not but I cannot think of anyone else who could. Do you have a viable alternative? To my mind the Blairite project is dead and the final nails will be Chilcott analysis over the summer. There wasn't a unifying candidate of the left last time and I don't see one now.

[Bubbinsmakesthree]

Except he isn't really, is he? Because JC was anti-EU until he became Leader and was strong-armed into declaring the party position of Remain

I'm not meaning ideological in the pro/anti EU sense, given anti-EU sentiment can be found in both ends of left-right spectrum. As I said at the outset - if you were of the Lexit persuasion then today is a good day and you can stand to be aggrieved by Labour MPs turning on Corbyn.

Otherwise you either have to accept that Corbyn really isn't working out or accept that losing the referendum vote was a price worth paying to have a socialist leader of a major political party (even if that party is totally disunited).

[birdsdestiny]

Labour will loose the election under Corbyn He is playing student politics whilst handing power to the conservatives.

[SlightlyperturbedOwl]

I like Corbyn and his politics but the fact is he is utterly ineffective as a leader of the opposition. His appointment, along with Ed before him, was as much a part of the result yesterday as the one Cameron played.
Totally agree. Opposition needs to be effective to make this pattern of democracy work adequately. What happened when IDS left? Did the opposition push the points home and capitalise on it effectively? No. IMO there are massive flaws in the current model of government process, but the leader of the opposition can't just opt out of the job he's been selected to do, they need to get stuck in and then change things once they have the power to do so, otherwise the only outcome is leaving their electorate totally unrepresented.

[Ledeluge]

Corbyn did not manage to make any impression over this campaign. That may be because of media bias or because he didn't really care. Either way, I have no confidence that he would make any impression in a General Election. He is just not a leader.

The Labour Party should have been making huge strides while the Tory party have been so divided. It just hasn't happened.

There isn't an obvious contender but I think we need to look to the women MPs. Look at how Nicola Sturgeon, Ruth Davidson and Leanne Wood have come to the fore despite being relatively unknown a few years ago. I think there may well be some very capable and charismatic women waiting in the wings.

But whatever, Corbyn should go.