AIBU Mr Cameron has some explaining to do

(39 Posts)
iniquity Tue 21-Jun-16 19:55:53

He won the last election because he said labour couldn't be trusted with the economy.
He promised us a referendum.
Now he's telling us we will be plunged into an economical black hole if we brexit, which there is a 50 percent chance now.
Labour said all along that they wouldn't have a referendum as it would be too damaging for the economy. At least they were honest from the start.

leopardspice Tue 21-Jun-16 20:01:04

He promised a referendum didn't mean he was happy with 1-having to do it or 2- brexi

He's telling us HIS pocket which is; if we leave it will be damaging to the economy. Perhaps British public wanted a referendum if it was part of their policy and it won them the vote? But he's not exactly going to say "if we get in we will give you a referendum but just to warn you we don't think it's a good idea..." as part of his
Manifesto is he?

leopardspice Tue 21-Jun-16 20:01:51

Ffs *brexi
Pocket should be POV

iniquity Tue 21-Jun-16 20:04:26

Is it responsible to offer a referendim if you think the out vote would be a disaster for the country LP?
Labour didn't think so

DuckAndPancakes Tue 21-Jun-16 20:05:03

Labour being honest from the start
Ha

So, they promise a referendum and then deliver on the promise and they're still in the wrong? They're also allowed to have an opinion and to campaign for us to leave or stay.

Are you saying you're pissed off with democracy?

MrsSpecter Tue 21-Jun-16 20:08:18

Is it responsible to offer a referendim if you think the out vote would be a disaster for the country LP?

Thats how democracy works! The country wanted a referendum, he said ok, and he has delivered one. He isnt our parent, he is supposed to be our representative. Giving a referendum is responding to out requests.

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:08:48

The referendum was never about us - it was about seeing off Gove, Boris, Nigel et al so the Tories could get on with shifting all reamining power and money to people who are already rich and smashing the welfare state, unions and the NHS.

Basicbrown Tue 21-Jun-16 20:08:59

Is it responsible to offer a referendim if you think the out vote would be a disaster for the country

But the key word here is think. Others may disagree and be right, no one actually knows.

MrsSpecter Tue 21-Jun-16 20:09:02

our requests. Not out requests!

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:11:55

Giving a referendum is responding to out requests.
Not really - more about trying to sort out the splits in the Tory party and the risk of more UKIP defectors.

I don't think Cameron or anyone calls a referendum without a pretty good idea they will get the answer they want. I don't think he's really worried about the outcome now - like the bookies he expects a narrow remain vote, he's just trying to nudge a few in that direction to make it "safer".

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:13:50

I reckon he expected to get more (some) concessions too, so it would have looked more appealing - fair play to him for trying to spin what he got (which was basically zero) though.

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:14:55

He won the last election because he said labour couldn't be trusted with the economy.

I think there were a few more reasons than that - it's over simplistic to cite that as the only reason.

iniquity Tue 21-Jun-16 20:20:01

Maybe just me then who finds it all a bit fishy.

scaryteacher Tue 21-Jun-16 20:22:34

He won the last election because he did Project Fear with the idea of the SNP allied with Labour.

GreenishMe Tue 21-Jun-16 20:23:28

Now he's telling us we will be plunged into an economical black hole if we brexit, which there is a 50 percent chance now.

hmm He should get himself a sandwich board with 'The End is Nigh!' scrawled across it.

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:23:33

Maybe just me then who finds it all a bit fishy.

What do you mean by that?

It's politics.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds Tue 21-Jun-16 20:24:38

I can see why he wanted to offer this - it was very popular with the electorate - and to put a final stop to the infighting, but I really wish he hadn't and it's one of a number of serious tactical errors. I am voting out, as I'm concerned that the remain vote I think is probably coming is going to give the EU a mandate with us that they've never really had before and we won't have the status quo we'll have EU plus. If we vote remain then I can see in a few months a lot of people who voted remain may be very angry as more facts emerge. I would rather have stayed in as we are with the EU a bit careful in case we get too fed up and walk.

If we do end up coming out then having made very clear statements that DC thinks out is the wrong answer and it will do such damage, then I don't see how he feels he can stay as leader as he is currently saying he will. Surely in that case we need him to stay on for stability in the short term, but for there to be a leadership contest for someone who is positive about and has plans and vision for the future outside the EU. Not someone giving us disappointed looks and saying we've made a bad decision, he doesn't agree but he'll try and muddle us through.

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:25:01

Now he's telling us we will be plunged into an economical black hole if we brexit

He's been pretty consistent about that.

which there is a 50 percent chance now.

er .... wasn't there always a 50/50 chance?

wasonthelist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:26:04

I can see why he wanted to offer this - it was very popular with the electorate

Was it? - Serious question.

Basicbrown Tue 21-Jun-16 20:26:05

He won the last election because he did Project Fear with the idea of the SNP allied with Labour.

Nothing at all to do with the fact that labour's manifesto/ campaign was unclear on basic stuff and shit. Oh and round here in apparently a key marginal they put up some woman who lived outside the constituency who didn't even bother to come and meet people.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds Tue 21-Jun-16 20:30:36

I think it was, particularly to those voters who were wandering to the UKIP camp from the Conservative and Labour ranks which was a big source of worry to both parties.

branofthemist Tue 21-Jun-16 20:30:45

Tories won the last election because labour were not a viable choice. Their campaign was a joke.

Wether David Cameron wants to stay or not doesn't matter. We live in a democracy, giving the vote to the people was the right choice.

Far better than ED millibands 'I think we should say so I don't want to know what everyone else thinks' view of it all.

Timeforabiscuit Tue 21-Jun-16 20:32:04

Part of me thinks if you don't really want an answer, then dont ask the question!

Cameron does have alot to answer for imo, the offer of a referendum was to calm the back benchers and maybe winkle a better deal from Europe - i dont think its achieved either and has antagonised the split even further.

Not to mention ive have upteen conversations about europe which have bored me to tears on occassion, polling day has shut our school, so Cameron has pissed me off too.

iniquity Tue 21-Jun-16 20:33:24

Was on the list my point is , a 50 percent risk is massive!

nippiesweetie Tue 21-Jun-16 20:37:59

Cameron never thought he would have to have this referendum. He thought he would be in coalition again and he could use the Lib Dems as an excuse not to deliver.

As it happens his overall majority is looking pretty shaky in light of accusations of electoral fraud in several marginal seats. If seven or eight Tory MPs are excluded for overspending his majority is shot.
This might, note might, not even be a legitimate government.

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