to NOT see what is wrong with the UKIP poster?

[HeartsofOak]

It shows a crowd of refugees trekking across country and has the strapline 'The EU has failed us all'

I think it's a really good point.

FFS the EU has failed these poor people , being turned away from one country to another.

Why hasn't this useless organisation, of some of the richest countries in the world managed to arrange its borders so that those poor refugees fleeing from war-torn homes where they fear for their lives everyday are allowed to exercise their human right to apply for asylum?

Why haven't the leaders of the EU arranged that those people are treated with humanity and decency and not drown everyday?

I agree with Farage that we should be able to control our borders. If we did, perhaps we could prioritise immigration to offer sanctuary to refugees like Germany has done.

And I agree that the EU is an ineffective and undemocratic organisation. If our Parliament was in control of immigration perhaps we could effectively pressurise our MPs to act and allow refugees into the UK in meaningful numbers.

[OurBlanche]

It harks back to a similar poster used years ago... ironically also by Germany...

[MLGs]

I found it quite chilling....

[OurBlanche]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2663912-To-think-that-Nigel-Farage-should-not-be-allowed-any-airtime?pg=2#prettyPhoto

Ooops! Film.. stills linked to ^^

[HeartsofOak]

Our Blanche it doesn't. Some people have commented that the poster bears a passing similarity to a BBC documentary aired in 2005.

As far as I can see the similarity is very tenuous, in that it shoes crowds of refugees trekking across country - as must many films on the same subject in fairness.

[LurkingHusband]

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/re-using-nazi-propaganda-good-for-the-environment-says-farage-20160617109593

RECYCLING propaganda images from the Nazis is the environmentally responsible thing to do, says Nigel Farage.

The UKIP leader has confirmed his is the only campaign using 100 per cent recycled National Socialist newsreel images for his billboard adverts, making him greener than any of his colleagues.

(contd) ...

[Greyponcho]

It's the bit about 'taking back control of our borders' that is the main message of the poster, even though it's the smallest text as that what his party are aligned to.

[DoinItFine]

That is not what that poster seeks to represent, and you know that.

God I loathe disingenuity.

That poster says that we need to leave the EU to stop tge long line of brown people getting in to the UK.

It is a nasty, racist, dishonest poster in a long tradition of racist campaigning in Europe.

The EU's failures to deal properly with the refugee crisis are not at all what this poster is about.

[LondonKiwiMummy]

Completely agree DoinItFine - you said it much better than I did on another thread.

[Christabelpankhurst]

The footage in the BBC documentary on Auschwitz was taken from a Nazi Propaganda showing the influx of Jewish refugees.
You can see the screenshots here
indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-calling-out-ukips-new-antieu-poster-for-resembling-outright-nazi-propaganda--WkTYUB18EW

[srslylikeomg]

Dat you again Nige?

[OurBlanche]

Hearts you may have misunderstood. Your opinion is your opinion. Others, myself included, would say that harks back to a previous era... it is reminiscent of, bears a striking resemblance to a previous striking and unpleasant iconography... that is what people have complained about.

You can't say it isn't true as people really have complained about it.

You can, and have said, that you disagree.

[museumum]

You want us to leave the EU so we can so what Germany has done for asylum seekers?
In what way is Germany subject to different EU rules than we are???

[snowy508601]

'it is reminiscent of, bears' ??

[OurBlanche]

I was ignoring that bit, museum. I got a bit too snarked by it, in context of the picture and apparent disingenuity of the OP I could only think - German now or of the Third Reich?

[HeartsofOak]

OurBlanche yes, the similarity resides in depicting a huge migrant crisis, in WWII, and now. But you could also compare it to Bosnia, Ukraine, Rwanda - all of which have had huge migrant issues. Not really sure why the 'Nazi' one is singled out.

Museum Germany is obviously part of the EU. The difference that meant they welcomed 1m refugees was that Angela Merkel had the political will and power to act with humanity. Weasel Cameron has not - and because they can hide behind the EU we cannot pressure him and the Govt or MEPs because the thin thread of democratic accountability in the EU is just not that string.

[LurkingHusband]

Lurking don't you think there's a bit of irony or sarcasm there at all?

I wouldn't have posted it otherwise ... although there's also a kernel of truth in there.

For various reasons, I have a very good working knowledge of post Weimar-Germany. AktionT4 specifically. That poster chilled my blood ever so slightly. I would humbly suggest it would be impossible that is was designed and approved without realising the connection it makes back to dark days in Europe.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I would humbly suggest it would be impossible that is was designed and approved without realising the connection it makes back to dark days in Europe.

Scarily, I can believe that the appearance is coincidental - It's not that the imagery was copied, it's that folk are thinking in the same way and thus independently come up with similar imagery.

[IrenetheQuaint]

Are you really saying, OP, that the poster is designed to make a case for letting more Syrian refugees into Britain? Could you point to where Farage has called for this elsewhere?

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

Christ almighty.

And no, UKIP - Godwin's Law does not apply here. This is not "an online argument that spirals until one side calls the other a Nazi" - this is UKIP using the same sort of pernicious, divisive propaganda that the Nazis did.

[crappymummy]

this, as with so many other media products is a dog whistle

the people who it is intended for hear it just fine

I'm one of those migrants wrecking everything I guess and I got the message

[WindPowerRanger]

Doing I think you are being racist calling those refugees 'brown people'.

Oh pull the other one, it's got bells on it. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[LurkingHusband]

Scarily, I can believe that the appearance is coincidental - It's not that the imagery was copied, it's that folk are thinking in the same way and thus independently come up with similar imagery.

We all know about how history gets to repeat itself .

Well if no-one did spot any similarties, and it really is a coincidence, then I humbly suggest UKIP are too thick to be involved in politics.

So, too Nazi, or too ignorant ? You choose.

[TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams]

This is mindboggling. You do understand that WE are one of the "leaders of the EU"?

Why haven't the leaders of the EU arranged that those people are treated with humanity and decency and not drown everyday?

Because WE are part of the problem and WE cannot agree with other EU leaders what's to be done unless we want to drop some bombs
WE keep hoping that someone else is going to sort it out in pure NIMBY style.

Please read this article - there are 4.8 m refugees outside of Syria now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Britain has formally accepted just over 5,000 refugees but settled only 216, Germany 150,000 approved so far out of 300,000 within Germany.
Argentina and Brazil - 3000 each and it's the other side of the world ! Australia's doing well with 26 so far