to NOT see what is wrong with the UKIP poster?

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HeartsofOak Fri 17-Jun-16 16:40:54

It shows a crowd of refugees trekking across country and has the strapline 'The EU has failed us all'

I think it's a really good point.

FFS the EU has failed these poor people , being turned away from one country to another.

Why hasn't this useless organisation, of some of the richest countries in the world managed to arrange its borders so that those poor refugees fleeing from war-torn homes where they fear for their lives everyday are allowed to exercise their human right to apply for asylum?

Why haven't the leaders of the EU arranged that those people are treated with humanity and decency and not drown everyday?

I agree with Farage that we should be able to control our borders. If we did, perhaps we could prioritise immigration to offer sanctuary to refugees like Germany has done.

And I agree that the EU is an ineffective and undemocratic organisation. If our Parliament was in control of immigration perhaps we could effectively pressurise our MPs to act and allow refugees into the UK in meaningful numbers.

OurBlanche Fri 17-Jun-16 16:44:36

It harks back to a similar poster used years ago... ironically also by Germany...

MLGs Fri 17-Jun-16 16:45:13

I found it quite chilling....

OurBlanche Fri 17-Jun-16 16:46:17

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2663912-To-think-that-Nigel-Farage-should-not-be-allowed-any-airtime?pg=2#prettyPhoto

Ooops! Film.. stills linked to ^^

HeartsofOak Fri 17-Jun-16 16:48:46

Our Blanche it doesn't. Some people have commented that the poster bears a passing similarity to a BBC documentary aired in 2005.

As far as I can see the similarity is very tenuous, in that it shoes crowds of refugees trekking across country - as must many films on the same subject in fairness.

LurkingHusband Fri 17-Jun-16 16:51:39

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/re-using-nazi-propaganda-good-for-the-environment-says-farage-20160617109593

RECYCLING propaganda images from the Nazis is the environmentally responsible thing to do, says Nigel Farage.

The UKIP leader has confirmed his is the only campaign using 100 per cent recycled National Socialist newsreel images for his billboard adverts, making him greener than any of his colleagues.

(contd) ...

Greyponcho Fri 17-Jun-16 16:52:38

It's the bit about 'taking back control of our borders' that is the main message of the poster, even though it's the smallest text as that what his party are aligned to.

DoinItFine Fri 17-Jun-16 16:55:22

That is not what that poster seeks to represent, and you know that.

God I loathe disingenuity.

That poster says that we need to leave the EU to stop tge long line of brown people getting in to the UK.

It is a nasty, racist, dishonest poster in a long tradition of racist campaigning in Europe.

The EU's failures to deal properly with the refugee crisis are not at all what this poster is about.

LondonKiwiMummy Fri 17-Jun-16 16:58:07

Completely agree DoinItFine - you said it much better than I did on another thread.

Christabelpankhurst Fri 17-Jun-16 16:59:48

The footage in the BBC documentary on Auschwitz was taken from a Nazi Propaganda showing the influx of Jewish refugees.
You can see the screenshots here
indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-calling-out-ukips-new-antieu-poster-for-resembling-outright-nazi-propaganda--WkTYUB18EW

srslylikeomg Fri 17-Jun-16 17:00:08

Dat you again Nige?

OurBlanche Fri 17-Jun-16 17:01:07

Hearts you may have misunderstood. Your opinion is your opinion. Others, myself included, would say that harks back to a previous era... it is reminiscent of, bears a striking resemblance to a previous striking and unpleasant iconography... that is what people have complained about.

You can't say it isn't true as people really have complained about it.

You can, and have said, that you disagree.

museumum Fri 17-Jun-16 17:01:43

You want us to leave the EU so we can so what Germany has done for asylum seekers?
In what way is Germany subject to different EU rules than we are???

HeartsofOak Fri 17-Jun-16 17:02:44

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snowy508601 Fri 17-Jun-16 17:03:17

'it is reminiscent of, bears' ??

OurBlanche Fri 17-Jun-16 17:03:31

I was ignoring that bit, museum. I got a bit too snarked by it, in context of the picture and apparent disingenuity of the OP I could only think - German now or of the Third Reich?

HeartsofOak Fri 17-Jun-16 17:08:46

OurBlanche yes, the similarity resides in depicting a huge migrant crisis, in WWII, and now. But you could also compare it to Bosnia, Ukraine, Rwanda - all of which have had huge migrant issues. Not really sure why the 'Nazi' one is singled out.

Museum Germany is obviously part of the EU. The difference that meant they welcomed 1m refugees was that Angela Merkel had the political will and power to act with humanity. Weasel Cameron has not - and because they can hide behind the EU we cannot pressure him and the Govt or MEPs because the thin thread of democratic accountability in the EU is just not that string.

LurkingHusband Fri 17-Jun-16 17:11:55

Lurking don't you think there's a bit of irony or sarcasm there at all?

I wouldn't have posted it otherwise ... although there's also a kernel of truth in there.

For various reasons, I have a very good working knowledge of post Weimar-Germany. AktionT4 specifically. That poster chilled my blood ever so slightly. I would humbly suggest it would be impossible that is was designed and approved without realising the connection it makes back to dark days in Europe.

tiggytape Fri 17-Jun-16 17:12:57

I don't believe concern for migrants is the key message behind that poster either.

Aside from that though, I do agree that the migrant crisis has shown some elements of the Europe Union in a particularly bad light.
The rush to usher groups of poor people from one border to the next, the race to put up fences to keep them out and the determination to force neighboring countries to deal with housing and processing people has shown a not very attractive 'every man for himself' aspect to what is supposed to be a unified, group effort.
Migrants have suffered and do suffer because so many EU countries don't want them and are happy to make life so impossible for them that they move on to another EU nation instead.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 17-Jun-16 17:14:43

I would humbly suggest it would be impossible that is was designed and approved without realising the connection it makes back to dark days in Europe.

Scarily, I can believe that the appearance is coincidental - It's not that the imagery was copied, it's that folk are thinking in the same way and thus independently come up with similar imagery.

IrenetheQuaint Fri 17-Jun-16 17:16:34

Are you really saying, OP, that the poster is designed to make a case for letting more Syrian refugees into Britain? Could you point to where Farage has called for this elsewhere?

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Fri 17-Jun-16 17:18:21

Christ almighty.

And no, UKIP - Godwin's Law does not apply here. This is not "an online argument that spirals until one side calls the other a Nazi" - this is UKIP using the same sort of pernicious, divisive propaganda that the Nazis did.

crappymummy Fri 17-Jun-16 17:18:44

this, as with so many other media products is a dog whistle

the people who it is intended for hear it just fine

I'm one of those migrants wrecking everything I guess and I got the message

sad

WindPowerRanger Fri 17-Jun-16 17:19:33

Doing I think you are being racist calling those refugees 'brown people'.

Oh pull the other one, it's got bells on it. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

LurkingHusband Fri 17-Jun-16 17:20:27

Scarily, I can believe that the appearance is coincidental - It's not that the imagery was copied, it's that folk are thinking in the same way and thus independently come up with similar imagery.

We all know about how history gets to repeat itself sad.

Well if no-one did spot any similarties, and it really is a coincidence, then I humbly suggest UKIP are too thick to be involved in politics.

So, too Nazi, or too ignorant ? You choose.

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