To not miss Gordon Brown

(50 Posts)
feellikeahugefailure Sat 04-Jun-16 13:34:54

He mismanaged the economy, claimed he had eliminated boom and bust, said he would spend his way out of recession by borrowing more money. The list goes on.

He's now back to tell us not to vote out..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2UfK7GYkA

CaptainMarvelDanvers Sat 04-Jun-16 13:38:26

I'm voting to stay in, but I agree.

I'm sick of seeing Blair(especially!) and Brown pop up on our tv screens giving us their advice. Every time I see Blair I get peed off and turn the channel over.

feellikeahugefailure Sat 04-Jun-16 13:41:02

Yes I'm with you on Blair, I dont think it really matters what way you are voting but I don't think anyone is welcoming them back!

readytorage Sat 04-Jun-16 14:10:54

Dr Gordon Brwon bear?

IndridCold Sat 04-Jun-16 14:13:06

Can't stand the man, but he deserves full credit for keeping Britain out of the Euro, when Blair wanted us to join.

stugtank Sat 04-Jun-16 20:31:20

Er have you seen The Big short? Or read anything about the financial crash of 2008?

American sub prime housing bubble caused the crash not Gordon Brown.

I'm tired and I'm sick of lies and stupidity being spouted so I will just say it bluntly. T

The overwhelming stupidity of the majority of the electorate who believe a particular politician or immigrants or poor people are to blame for the economic crisis just baffles and angers me.

Just Google financial crash 2008 for fuck sake.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER Sat 04-Jun-16 20:46:03

Should imagine that Gordon Brown telling us to vote Remain, will have quite a few Undecideds making up their minds to vote Leave.

NowSissyThatWalk Sat 04-Jun-16 20:50:02

Stugtank cheers to that! wine

Sallyingforth Sat 04-Jun-16 20:50:36

American sub prime housing bubble caused the crash not Gordon Brown.

But Brown sold off our gold reserves at a bargain price, at the bottom of the market. He didn't need to do that, and we've suffered from it ever since.

Chillyegg Sat 04-Jun-16 20:53:10

I'd forgotten about him. Ee gad we've had some terrible politicians no one mention Thatcher

NaughtToThreeSadOnions Sat 04-Jun-16 20:57:20

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Should imagine that Gordon Brown telling us to vote Remain, will have quite a few Undecideds making up their minds to vote Leave.*

That is as maybe but hopefully the fact that BoJo and Fartage (Farage) are telling us to vote out will make many many more vote to remain.

Pettywoman Sat 04-Jun-16 20:57:27

Stugtank, absolutely.

BillSykesDog Sat 04-Jun-16 20:59:49

I'm with Indrid, he kept us out of the Euro and deserves great credit for that.

Labour might not have been responsible for causing the crash. But they were certainly responsible for creating an economy so unprepared for it that the effects were so devastating.

I am not keen on the man's politics, but as a person I regard him as a man with a great deal of integrity who sticks by his principles. Would take him over Blair any day.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions Sat 04-Jun-16 21:03:11

As much as I agree with slugtank with the actual cause of the economic crisis.

Blair knew exactly what was happening and to an extent Brown as the chancellor bares some responiablity. Although I do think he was set up

Ihavenopigs Sat 04-Jun-16 22:36:13

Slug tank
Quite right
The idea that Gordon Brown caused a crash that affected USA, Germany, France, etc just as much as us is suggesting he had a lot more power than any British prime minister could ever have.
What he did do was to save the banks (all our savings) and borrow / spend to ensure millions of people kept their jobs.

SaucyJack Sat 04-Jun-16 22:42:01

I don't mind Gordon Brown (texture like sun) meself. I do believe he meant well- and that's more that can be said for 99.9% of politicians.

Agree with Naught tho in that most people are basing their decision on picking which public figure they hate the most- and then doing the opposite of what they recommend.

Tiggeryoubastard Sat 04-Jun-16 22:42:29

Would take him over Blair any day.
To be fair, there's not many people you couldn't say that about.

lordStrange Sat 04-Jun-16 22:48:18

Quite right stugtank.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy Sat 04-Jun-16 22:56:00

I disagree. I think that Gordon Brown was unfairly lambasted by the press.

He did right by us re: the Euro and also safeguarded foreign aid (in an era of increased Ukippyness - why send our money abroad?) at a a rate of 0.7% which was something that we have been working towards since 1970!!!

I think he had a bit of a raw deal being a labour Mp post Blair's labour. I think I trust Gordon Brown's motives.

Sunnsoo Sat 04-Jun-16 23:07:46

Blair gives me the creeps. He looks like the child-catcher!

hidingwithwine Sat 04-Jun-16 23:10:25

Blair gives me the dry heave too. Can't believe a word that comes out his mouth moreso than any other politician

JJbum Sun 05-Jun-16 09:09:58

I'm not a Gordon a Brown fan but the bullshit that surrounds him is astounding.

Not only was he NOT responsible for causing a global financial crisis single handedly, but he also WAS actually responsible for managing the effects in the UK to ensure that we were not as badly affected as most of our European neighbours. He followed proven economic theories (Keynesian), which many may not agree with, but were actually lauded by economists (I.e. Not right wing propagandists but people who actually know their stuff) from all over. The negativity on his handling of it all and the idea that he actually caused the recession mainly came about when certain propaganda machines decided to make him a scape goat to push forward their political agenda.

Whether a person likes his form of politics or agrees with the economic theories he used, is one thing. Ignorant rhetoric based on ludicrous propaganda is another.

But then this is a country where people believe that somehow illegal immigrants are able to get free houses and a small fortune in benefits and that we are over run with them, along with people faking disabilities just to get out of working. I shouldn't be surprised!

AugustaFinkNottle Sun 05-Jun-16 09:26:11

If you're going to base your decision about the EU referendum on personalities, then the remain camp wins hands down. When you look at Gove's appalling record on education, IDS's even more appalling record in everything he's done, and the fact that Johnson is blatantly focussed solely on his personal political career - why on earth would you ever trust their judgment?

NaughtToThreeSadOnions Sun 05-Jun-16 10:32:34

Well that's true JJ if you look st the appalling state Ireland was in then I wouldn't hold anything against Brown. I actually think as a prime minster he was far better than Blair. I think people confuse his regime with Blairs and put them together.

WELL EXACTLY augusta I'd actually forgotten about Gove, but honestly why would you support Gove Johnson, who's a mild Donald Trump, and Farage, how long did IDS last as Tory leader again?

Yes I'm not sure Blair is doing the remain campaign any good just because of him, but I'd rather Brown and Camaron than trust a single word Farage Johnson Gove and IDS say.

Apparently Farage and Johnson would be the leave campaigns dream team. Heaven help us!

feellikeahugefailure Sun 05-Jun-16 13:35:49

Not only was he NOT responsible for causing a global financial crisis single handedly, but he also WAS actually responsible for managing the effects in the UK to ensure that we were not as badly affected as most of our European neighbours. He followed proven economic theories (Keynesian), which many may not agree with, but were actually lauded by economists (I.e. Not right wing propagandists but people who actually know their stuff) from all over. The negativity on his handling of it all and the idea that he actually caused the recession mainly came about when certain propaganda machines decided to make him a scape goat to push forward their political agenda.

The UK is hardly great, he's helped create the biggest bubble in property we have ever seen, started the road to getting into massive debt and was partly responsible for devaluing the currency.

Our European neighbours have crashed and are now in recovery. We haven't and are still on the edge. Iceland crashed and is now recovered. We are sill on life support. He may have delayed the crash but it will still come

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