to think this doctor has behaved appallingly

(21 Posts)
LittleHouseOnTheShelf Tue 24-May-16 17:59:17

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36362957

How can anybody who has a career which involves saving lives go and join an organisation which condones murder?

MrsJayy Tue 24-May-16 18:04:02

Of course he has there is no question but he believes in a cause maybe he thinks he is of more use there than here radicalisation (sp) has no boundry sadly

WorraLiberty Tue 24-May-16 18:05:21

What an evil little cunt.

Pettywoman Tue 24-May-16 18:08:00

What Worra said.

Ginmakesitallok Tue 24-May-16 18:08:26

Unbelievable. Bastard.

OurBlanche Tue 24-May-16 18:10:19

YABU. He is not a doctor who has behaved appallingly, he is a man who has been brainwwashed, a possibly vulnerable man who has been disowned by his family and now has no normality.

There is no logic to IS and similar. They prey on people whose life has lost its meaning. They offer all sorts of things that have no real meaning or value but which apply balm to some part of already distressed/displaced people.

I hate IS, but I feel quite sorry for some of the people that are recruited. That is based on my underlying belief that no sane person would join them... no sane person would choose to live that life.

Which only makes IS even more scary and unpredictable.

PortiaCastis Tue 24-May-16 18:11:08

Fucking little shit ! Grrrrr I hope well no I don't hope anything or I'll be as bad as him.

LunaLoveg00d Tue 24-May-16 18:30:01

One of the men involved in the 2007 attack at Glasgow airport was a junior doctor. This is nothing new. No less disgusting though.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Tue 24-May-16 18:38:00

Yeah - I guess it's a mixture of indoctrination, disaffectation, plus sometimes 'doctor' is just a good career path.

Not excusing it at all - I agree he's an evil little cunt, or an idiot, who will no doubt come to a bad end.

cupidsgame Tue 24-May-16 18:44:15

Why are we still allowing these people back into the country. It's unbelievable that we're still being so soft. The government should make it clear that they'll never ever get back. Why is that so difficult to do.

YoungGirlGrowingOld Tue 24-May-16 18:44:34

Brainwashed my eye. And what Worra said.

Tired of all the virtue signaling apologists for these medieval fuckwits.

cupidsgame Tue 24-May-16 18:47:36

I don't believe they're brainwashed either, not in the UK anyway. I think they join because they're evil bastards who want to torture and kill. No excuses for them whatsoever.

NeedACleverNN Tue 24-May-16 18:50:03

I think there is some brainwashing involved...or else why would teenagers randomly go off and run away to join them.

They do it so secretly. If they were proud of their cause they would happily tell their parents.

I wonder what they say

Stratter5 Tue 24-May-16 18:53:46

Afraid I agree with the brainwashing, it's no different to any other extreme religious indoctrination; hear it day in, day out, and eventually you'll believe anything sad

goddessofsmallthings Tue 24-May-16 18:56:08

While it is to be hoped the "evil little cunt" meets his maker in the very near future, there may be a higher chance of this abomination returning to the UK and continuing to practise.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/only-one-in-eight-jihadists-returning-to-uk-is-caught-and-convic/

YoungGirlGrowingOld Tue 24-May-16 18:56:31

Because teenagers have been doing stupid shit since the beginning of time and will likely continue to do so?

My personal view is that all religious people are fantasists, but all this talk about radicalization seems to me to absolve the perpetrator of these vile activities of any guilt whatsoever. We are all responsible for our actions.

OurBlanche Tue 24-May-16 19:16:34

There is no talk of absolution, they have identified themselves as anti social, dangerous, etc. There ought to be more of an effort to imprison/expel them when they try to return. I am NOT saying they can/should be given a place back in any society they spurn and threaten so dramatically.

I am just saying that, in order to be taken in by the rhetoric of such crap, they had to be unhappy, deranged, pick-your-own-term, to begin with. IS etc prey on that.

Though maybe if you have no experience of how invidious IS etc can be it does sound impossible. Sadly I have a good friend who was brainwashed by a religious cult back in the 80s. What she went through was, even back then with no social media, email etc, relentless and played on her every weakness. At 50 she is still with them and, whilst in contact with some of her old friends, still refers to her family in the most distressing ways.

Musicaltheatremum Tue 24-May-16 19:17:54

This is nothing to do with him being a doctor. He is just evil.
Harold Shipman was a doctor too. A very good one by all accounts, shame he was a mass murderer.

Abraid2 Tue 24-May-16 19:19:32

He had a professional job and a family. He does not deserve sympathy. He wanted to treat the Jordanian pilot burned to death so that he could burn him to death again.

cupidsgame Tue 24-May-16 19:27:47

If they have been brainwashed they must have wanted to be brainwashed, to have allowed themselves to be. They see the news, read the papers, they know what an evil bunch of medieval bastards Isis are, they must have wanted to be seduced by them. The government aren't doing enough to protect us. Don't let the bastards back into the country would be a start, and to hell with their human rights. Our rights should come first. angry

YoungGirlGrowingOld Tue 24-May-16 22:52:56

I am not as unsympathetic to that view as I may have come across Blanche. I just don't think it excuses every case (and certainly not this one).

One would hope that a doctor has an enquiring, analytical mind and above average intelligence. One would also hope that his intelligence and life experience (including a professional career in the west alongside different nationalities, women, etc) would offer a robust defense or counter-argument again the apparently hypnosis-like powers that would seek to radicalise him.

I would have much more sympathy for someone who (say) grew up in a village in Afghanistan, barely enough to eat, illiterate, chaotic family life, etc. I could more readily understand the desire for a better life and hope for some kind of "redemption", and that it would make him more credulous and susceptible to radicalization. (I once read that the men who drive suicide bombers to their targets swerve their cars around imaginary "hoora" i.e. the virgins waiting for the martyr and comment on how many there are and how beautiful etc. Dont ask me why only the driver can see them hmm )

We need to be circumspect about blaming those jolly clever imans or the forces of radicalization that operate in society in every case - the bloke who detonated the suicide vest is ultimately to blame, especially if he has the benefit of a good education and a supportive family (as so many have).

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