(E) Cigarette ads on TV

(28 Posts)
awfullyproper Sat 09-Apr-16 23:45:56

The one with the woman dressed like the Marlboro man. This just does not sit right with me.
The small text makes it clear that it is not a smoking cessation product. I just don't think they should be advertised on TV.

scarednoob Sun 10-Apr-16 05:57:29

I hate my Oh's e-cig with a passion. I am sure that they will turn out to be bad for you in the long term. There's still chemicals in there.

He's 38 and can make his own mind up, but DD is tiny and I really don't want her growing up to see him doing it.

So nope, YANBU.

LittleLionMansMummy Sun 10-Apr-16 08:14:50

www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

YABU - not about the Marlboro man, but your general point about advertising. Thousands and thousands of people who have been unable to give up smoking cigarettes, my dh included, have done so thanks to e cigarettes. Instead of stigmatising them in the same way as cigarettes, we should be funding more research (into things such as passive vaping, for which there is currently no evidence of harm) and supporting people who have found them effective. It's ridiculous that vapers are increasingly banished to the same areas as smokers. Like you'd put someone trying to give up drinking alcohol in the same room as a bunch of alcoholics and a few bottles of vodka. The hysteria over them, without good evidence, is ridiculous. I'd rather live with a vaper than a smoker any day and if they're as effective and comparably safe as this article claims, they could save the NHS billions in the long run.

I can understand that we don't want our children and young people forming a new habit, but alcohol is still advertised on TV. Instead of a blanket ban, perhaps an after the watershed rule instead.

AliceInUnderpants Sun 10-Apr-16 09:31:35

Can you express why you don't feel they should be advertised?

Does the same go for alcohol, gambling services, etc?

EatShitDerek Sun 10-Apr-16 09:33:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

OccamsRazorSharpner Sun 10-Apr-16 09:46:41

Passive vaping makes me cough, I don't care if the evidence isn't widely available yet - it is not the same as fresh air and should be treated the same as smoking in terms of legislation to protect non smokers/vapers.

The vaping ads I have seen are aimed at making vaping cool much like the tobacco ads of the 60s and 70s - vaping is not cool, if it is a stepping stone for people to quit nicotine then fine but to dress it up as anything more than that is offensive.

Tools to help quit should be available but not pushed as habit starters in their own right. Also available are gum, hypnosis, acupuncture etc all geared to quit not to start a whole new addiction - this should be the slant of any advertising or we have learned nothing.

OccamsRazorSharpner Sun 10-Apr-16 09:50:02

YADNBU OP!

Pandora2016 Sun 10-Apr-16 10:13:28

There's 'chemicals' coming out of the tap in your kitchen...... shock

Far worse things are advertised - gambling, pay day loans and sex line services. All advertised regularly.

HPsauciness Sun 10-Apr-16 10:13:57

hypnosis 'acupuncture these are not experimentally tested successful methods of giving up smoking! Acupuncture does very badly in blind controlled trials. And, when compared with gum, e-cigs are more effective (in a recent study, gum was less effective than anything else!)

Gum also contains nicotine which is addictive, it's just a different form of the same substance.

I think if labelled very clearly as addictive there is no issue here.

Pandora2016 Sun 10-Apr-16 10:14:36

And why is it 'offensive', Occam?

PlentyOfPubeGardens Sun 10-Apr-16 10:17:40

Here are the current rules for advertising ecigs. Advertisers are not allowed to state that ecigs are less harmful than smoking (which they are, massively), or that they can help you to quit smoking (which they can, and have done for over a million people in the UK so far). These would be 'health or medicinal claims' which cannot be made for products without a medicinal licence.

Ecig advertising is set to become illegal altogether from May in any case, thanks to the Tobacco Products Directive. This is great news if you don't give a shit about the 50% of smokers who die a decade early on average, or the health of those who live around smokers.

What do people think of this ad for Nicorette Inhalator?

MrsBoDuke Sun 10-Apr-16 10:56:56

I would much rather see adverts for sex lines, gambling and payday loans banned before adverts for ecigs.

ProcrastinatorGeneral Sun 10-Apr-16 11:50:41

I'd rather see adverts for sex lines, gambling, payday loans and ecigs banned MrsBD.

I don't think normalising smoking, be it electronic or otherwise, is in any way a decent idea.

PlentyOfPubeGardens Sun 10-Apr-16 12:06:12

Vaping is not smoking. Ecigs normalise quitting.

ASH estimates that there are 2.6 million current users of electronic cigarettes in the UK. This number consists almost entirely of current and ex-smokers; of these approximately one third are ex-smokers while two thirds continue to use tobacco alongside electronic cigarettes. There is little evidence to suggest that anything more than a negligible proportion of never-smokers regularly use the product. (from ASH's latest briefing on ecigs)

WeAllHaveWings Sun 10-Apr-16 12:23:20

YANBU. I agree vaping should not be normalised and if advertising and normalisation is allowed there is a risk it could be with impressionable young people.

I also don't want to sit in a pub with a lot of people vaping, although it is much better than smoking, the smells, vapour and residues left by many people regularly vaping in an enclosed area I find unpleasant.

The info above stating that two thirds of vapers continue to use tobacco alongside of electronic cigarettes does not surprise me. Most people I know who vape use it not to quit, but so they can have a puff in places they are no longer allowed to smoke. This isn't encouraging people to stop, but rather giving them a crutch to continue.

PlentyOfPubeGardens Sun 10-Apr-16 13:09:07

if advertising and normalisation is allowed there is a risk it could be with impressionable young people

From the same briefing: It has been hypothesised that electronic cigarettes could act as a ‘gateway’ to smoking tobacco among children and to the ‘renormalisation’ of smoking. However, current evidence suggests this phenomenon is not occurring, at least in Great Britain. In fact, since electronic cigarettes have been on the market, smoking prevalence has declined among children. Whilst some never-smokers are experimenting with electronic cigarettes, regular use is rare among children and current electronic cigarette use is confined almost entirely to those who have already tried smoking.

many people regularly vaping in an enclosed area

I don't know which pubs you are going to but in 2 1/2 years of vaping I've never encountered this. Many pubs, including the large chains, ban it altogether. Of those who allow it, it's generally on the understanding that you don't annoy other customers. Occasionally I'll spot one or two other vapers, being so discreet you wouldn't notice unless you were right next to them. Did you maybe attend a vape meet by accident?

The info above stating that two thirds of vapers continue to use tobacco alongside of electronic cigarettes does not surprise me.

From the same briefing: ASH research shows that the most commonly reported reason for using electronic cigarettes is “to help me stop smoking tobacco entirely”. and also, There was no evidence that using electronic cigarettes at the same time as using tobacco cigarettes made people less likely to quit smoking. and even, There is also some evidence to suggest that electronic cigarette use leads to abstinence among some smokers who had not intended to quit.

It's worth noting that the figures show 2/3 of current vapers are also still smoking and 1/3 of current vapers are just vaping. The figures don't include those who have switched to vaping and then quit vaping as well.

Most people who quit by vaping 'dual fuel' for a while. It takes time to find the right kit and eliquid that works for you and learn to use it effectively. DH took a whole year to drop the last fag of the day. I'm very glad he switched as he has type 2 diabetes and high BP. He now stands a much better chance of not dying prematurely.

airside Sun 10-Apr-16 13:13:59

Nicotine is an addictive substance. The advert bothered me as well.

Pandora2016 Sun 10-Apr-16 13:38:29

The negative reaction to e-cigs is (IMHO) entirely due to the fact that vaping is fun.

NRT is not fun.

NRT still has numerous (proven) health risks ; but it is not fun.

Quitting smoking is not allowed to be a pleasurable experience; smokers must suffer like the social lepers they have become.

It's pure moral superiority.

It's also very selfish to want vaping banned, very selfish indeed. Quitting smoking is the biggest improvement you can make to your health, particularly when it comes to fatal diseases like cancer.

Why do people want to discourage people from quitting smoking? Is it because you will have fewer social lepers to feel superior to?

Pandora2016 Sun 10-Apr-16 13:40:30

Caffeine is an addictive substances too. It also has health risks. Shall we ban coffee ads?

murphyslaws Sun 10-Apr-16 13:43:16

Yeah let's make nanny state. No alcohol, caffeine, sweets, e cig,

Let's ban everything

OddBoots Sun 10-Apr-16 13:55:14

"There is little evidence to suggest that anything more than a negligible proportion of never-smokers regularly use the product." - well the e-cig companies are not going to like that much as it pretty much puts a finite life on their product, hence the desire to advertise widely. I don't think there could be a smoker around who doesn't know that vaping is an option, they don't need it advertising.

PlentyOfPubeGardens Sun 10-Apr-16 14:03:16

Well nothing needs advertising then does it? Clothes, food, cars, toys, phones ... there can't be anyone around who doesn't know these are options to purchase.

WidowWadman Sun 10-Apr-16 14:09:10

I don't think the worry is that vaping could be a gateway into smoking, but just a gateway into vaping.

JockTamsonsBairns Sun 10-Apr-16 14:10:11

Totally agree with Pandora

PlentyOfPubeGardens Sun 10-Apr-16 14:15:16

Widow, if you read to end of the paragraph you'd have seen Whilst some never-smokers are experimenting with electronic cigarettes, regular use is rare among children and current electronic cigarette use is confined almost entirely to those who have already tried smoking.

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