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To be HORRIFIED by this school's actions to become an Academy

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diaimchlo · 04/04/2016 14:33

Came across this: www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/probe-launched-after-30-pupils-11128470

If this is the lengths that schools will go to to achieve Academy status I fear for children's education in general and the discrimination of those who have been diagnosed with disabling conditions especially with all the cuts that this Government have put in place.

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LurkingHusband · 04/04/2016 14:39

Maybe Nonsuch should have researched where their name comes from ... perhaps it's headed the same way.

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MrsDeVere · 04/04/2016 15:49

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TheSolitaryWanderer · 04/04/2016 16:00

One of the main problems is that the Academy may get a lot of support for the exclusions from parents of children without disabilities or behavioural issues.
'I'd be glad to see the back of him' was the feeling among several parents at my son's primary school.

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raininginspringtime · 04/04/2016 16:00

It's about disruptive behaviour however and I recognise this can be caused by SEN but isn't always down to SEN - nor are all children with SEN disruptive.

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corythatwas · 04/04/2016 16:02

That's what would have happened to my dd if the academy system had been around at that time. Not that she ever talked back or disrupted a class, but the head and admin staff never missed an opportunity to tell us how inconvenient it was to have a wheelchair user in the school and how "you can't expect us to be happy" about her frequent medical absences. By the end of his time at the school the HT was hinting very strongly that maybe dd should be in a different setting as they had no experience of disability (total lie; they had behaved equally shoddily to a friend's disabled dd a few years earlier).

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corythatwas · 04/04/2016 16:04

Should add that she would have had no chance of getting into the only wheelchair-adapted secondary within travelling distance if it hadn't been for the LA appeals process.

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uglyflowers · 04/04/2016 16:05

I am an ex teacher and have many friends who are teaching in academies. They all agree that funding for kids with SENs will suffer. My son has epilepsy and dyspraxic. I home educate him and his little brother, having worked in my local schools and seen how kids on the spectrum were treated.

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raininginspringtime · 04/04/2016 16:05

How awful, cory

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uglyflowers · 04/04/2016 16:07

I imagine home ed numbers will go up massively in the future when parents feel they have no other choice.

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TheSolitaryWanderer · 04/04/2016 16:10

How will that work in the SE in particular, where most households need both parents working just to survive?

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ilovesooty · 04/04/2016 16:11

The difficulty is that many parents either don't have the expertise to HE or can't afford to.

I think while questions should be asked about the school's failure to make reasonable adjustments the mum would be better focusing on that aspect rather than his gender. That "boys will be boys" comment just reinforces prejudice and stereotyping.

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Aeroflotgirl · 04/04/2016 16:19

I am not surprised either MrsD, last year in 2015, this happened to my friends ds who is no 8. The school in question was not an adademy, but Ofstead, needs improvement. My friend suspected that her ds was on the ASD spectrum, he was starting to get help in the little feeder school, and was on school action plus, he was doing very well, and coping before he moved to the middle school, as the old school only went up to year 2. The changes meant that his coping mechanisms went out of the window, constant changes at his new school, meant that his behaviour declined, he was violent, school refusing, and aggressive towards his parents, staff and pupils.

My friend was told by the school SENCO that he was manipulative and controlling, and the headteacher described him in control of his actions. After the 3 temporary exclusion, some help was put in place, which was not enough, and eventally he was permenanantly exluded. Not once did they want to get to the bottom of it, and try and find out what was wrong, or start an EHCP. They could have held their hands up and done a managed move, into the PRU. instead of permenantly excluding him. This was a first resort not a last, I felt they wanted him out, and the problem to go away, and so did my friend. Later it transpired, that they could have had dual access with the school and PRU, but the school did not bother to find out.

His PRU have been excellent, they have helped get him an EHCP and access to other professionals, they have told my friend that her ds is quite possibly on the ASD spectrum, and he is seeing the community Paed and going down the diagnostic route. They have been so positive, and her ds is thriving there. They now have a place for him at a very inclusive and fantastic mainstream school, with a special ASD specialist there, he will start in September.

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Aeroflotgirl · 04/04/2016 16:23

DD who is the same age as my friends ds, has ASD, learning difficulties, used to go to the same infant school as friends ds. It was fantastic, the headteacher there, also had a child with ASD so was so positive. She told me that my dd behaviour was not her fault, that it was the result of being distressed. She contacted different agencies for help and support with dd, and got her the statement. In the end the school could not cope with dd after some violent incidences, but instead of excluding her. The headteacher sat us down, and explained to us that the school was not the right place and to look at different settings. We did and dd is in a fantastic ASD specialist school. Everything was done for the benefit of dd.

How different from my friends experience.

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NeedsAsockamnesty · 04/04/2016 16:31

Without fail everytime a school have turned into an academy around here the exclusions rocket and most of the excluded children are those with disabilities or additional educational needs

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MrsDeVere · 04/04/2016 16:33

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sleeponeday · 04/04/2016 16:36

I have a disabled child, and we moved him from an Outstanding Academy after a series of genuinely horrific events left my five year old planning a (terrifyingly effective) means of suicide. This in the same year they reported a mother whose DD has high-functioning autism for Munchausens (she was completely cleared, with the social worker saying, "you don't need me - you need help.") Since moving him to a genuinely inclusive maintained school, where he's doing really well, I've been contacted by several other parents having a catastrophic time. The school is obsessed by retaining its Outstanding status - the children's welfare and wellbeing comes a very long way down. The head recently announced she will be retiring next year and I had several messages entitled "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead" but upsettingly, I had three from people whose identical thought was that their younger children, "are now safe!" I'm not so sure, given she and the agency the school use to help them stage to OFSTED are recruiting for the new one.

The horror stories about disabled kids there are legion. In our case, my son is charming, polite and hyper-compliant at school as a way of dealing with it - the stress all comes out at home. As he's also extremely academic, their attitude to my raising his being autistic was to think I was crazy and "trying to label my child." His autism was so obvious to anyone who knows their arse from their elbow that the class teacher at his new school approached us and asked if we'd heard of Aspergers within 15 minutes of his walking through the door. As I have lived with autism my entire life, with an older sibling on the spectrum, I also recognised it - the appalling thing was that a school is missing it in all but the very overt cases, and then only if the child's behaviour is causing the other kids/teachers problems. Those kids are regarded as a nuisance and treated, as are their parents, with hostility. In my case my son was seen as an asset and utter bewilderment voiced at the idea that this lonely, bullied, confused child could be struggling, when his reading age was so many years ahead of expectations.

Disability understanding and support is terrifyingly poor. Almost all parents of disabled children have horror stories. This is unusual in that all these kids seem to have been disruptive, but frankly that speaks volumes about how atrociously their disabilities were supported and managed, because a well-managed and well-supported child is far less likely to behave disruptively. Some will, absolutely, but 30, to the point exclusion was necessary? I doubt that very much.

The other thing people don't seem to realise: OFSTED don't deal with complaints about disability provision; LAs do. OFSTED don't even know about the issues at DS's old school, and we have no way, as a group of appalled parents, of telling them. Nor, in an Academy school, is there any way to complain if you remove your child. There is no oversight by the LA, and the governors don't have to handle complaints from former parents. So a parent removing their child for their own good has no way of whistle-blowing, and a parent with a child at a school needs to be exceedingly careful, if it is a school that reacts with aggressive anger to any criticism at all (his old school made legal threats against some parents who said anything they disliked, and when we involved the local MP, his lead caseworker described the head as, "incredibly angry and incredibly defensive" when refusing the requested meeting - she refused point blank to talk to any of the dissatisfied parents about the very clear issues at the school, at any stage from their removal on.)

I'm deeply disturbed by the forced creation of Academies, because while it removes power from LAs and places it into the hands of central government - schools are a lot less likely to agitate against government steps when they have to argue for funding with the DoE directly - it also removes local oversight almost entirely. I don't see how creating mini fiefdoms in schools can be in the interests of pupils - where is the accountability for things such as this?

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Alfieisnoisy · 04/04/2016 16:36

More and more I am glad that I fought to get my DS with autism OUT of mainstream. The system is falling apart and no way was my child going to go down with it. He is now in a special school where his needs are properly met and there is time for him.

Seeing stories like this shows me how bloody right I was to act sooner rather than later. My child isn't disruptive but he struggled through every single day without achieving in mainstream.

The HT told me that DS didn't look autistic and was just a day dreamer. No you stupid man he is overwhelmed by the environment and zoning out.

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raininginspringtime · 04/04/2016 16:38

The 'boys will be boys' boy didn't have any diagnosed special needs I believe, although they said they were investigating the possibility of Tourette's.

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JinRamen · 04/04/2016 16:39

The numbers of children with SEN being home educated is already rising.

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IdaJones · 04/04/2016 16:43

I thought that ofsted penalised schools for lots of exclusions? Is that no longer the case?

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tiggytape · 04/04/2016 16:47

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BackforGood · 04/04/2016 16:48

Not sure why that story is back in the Mail again, as it's a re-run of what they published 2 or 3 months ago. I also read ANY story in a paper about a child being excluded with a great big handful of salt, as you are very much only ever getting one side of the story.
HOWEVER, the sheer numbers of exclusions in recent times in one school is worrying. Ridiculous comment from Cllr Lines likening it to the Trojan Horse situation though. It has nothing to do with that.

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NeedsAsockamnesty · 04/04/2016 16:49

The other worrying trend I have noticed is "chill out rooms" I remember these they used to be nice calm zones where a child could use sensory equipment or be with a TA and take take to refocus, these days they are small rooms most people would describe as a cupboard with nothing in where a child gets locked in often alone as a punishment

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ghostyslovesheep · 04/04/2016 16:50

I work with schools and I work in SEND.
I am not one tiny bit surprised


this 1000 x's - this government do not want children with SEND in mainstream schools - they want a return to segregation - they don't care about kids with support needs - they care about grades and the fucking idiotic Ebac

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sleeponeday · 04/04/2016 16:52

I think they do penalise for exclusions. DS's school didn't overtly exclude. They just made life so miserable for parents of disabled kids that those with options move them, and those without, or without diagnosis and believing the school's claims of inadequate parenting and "naughty" children, coped while their kids cycled ever lower, wholly unsupported other than by disciplinary sanctions.

A friend had a job interview at one of the two (Juniors/Infants) and the head openly said they encourage disabled children's parents to go elsewhere. Another parent was told their Statemented child should go to another school "who can best meet their needs." OFSTED rave on the report about how simply spiffing support for disabled kids is in both. Absolute lies, but who's to know, if they aren't affected?

From what I've seen, a school openly excluding in large numbers can't be very clever at hiding it, when they get shot of disabled children. There are savvier ways.

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