… to find it impossible to cross the roads these days?

(27 Posts)
NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 09:18:32

The powers that be seem to be removing all the traffic lights (with nice green men) and replacing them with ….. nothing. Or those raised brick things that are supposed to 'slow the traffic'. I absolutely hate the new system. No one knows who has right of way and often it's really dangerous trying to cross as you have to try to look 3 ways simultaneously. Turns into a game of chicken as you wonder whether a car coming your way is planning on turning into the side street you want to cross but hasn't bothered to indicate etc. I get the theory which is that all road users (pedestrians and motorists) are permanently stressed and confused so SLOW DOWN, but I don't like being permanently stressed and confused. The reality is that pedestrians have to wait hours before there are no cars anywhere in the vicinity before daring to cross. I think it deters people from walking which seems mad given that there is too much traffic on the roads as it is plus an obesity problem.

<walks off trying to breathe deeply having got that off her chest>….

splendide Wed 24-Feb-16 09:21:09

I have not noticed this change but I guess it will be specific to your local planning dept. I have read it's safer overall but I agree it sounds more stressful.

PaulAnkaTheDog Wed 24-Feb-16 09:22:32

Can't say I've noticed any change.

ComeonSummer1 Wed 24-Feb-16 09:22:46

Lots of traffic lights still by us and pelican crossings.

Not sure what you mean by raised brick things.

If you really can't cross have you involved your MP or local police officer.

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 09:36:27

I am in London and it seems to be happening all over the city. Raised brick things not very clear as a description I agree (!), but what I mean is where they set grey bricks in the tarmac to demarcate a 'crossing area', but there are no traffic lights or anything. Will try to find a picture.

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 09:41:33

Sort of like this:

uk.pinterest.com/pin/482588916293179137/

Only this image shows it in a quiet cul de sac. They are everywhere now - even at big junctions.

Krampus Wed 24-Feb-16 09:48:02

They've done this in our town center where there was a very busy crossing mainly used by buses, taxis and pedestrians. It seems to have made it safer and made the traffic of vehicles and people flow better. Traffic is slower and pedestrians actually seem to be looking around.

I think the main issue to resolve is how do people who are visually impaired cope. People with guide dogs and white canes have relied on things like the drop in curb, noise from traffic lights and that little spinny thing. (These www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-ouch-22706881)

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 10:03:12

As a pedestrian I look around like mad - but often you have to take your life in your hands to cross and sprint across hoping for the best. God knows how older people do it. I would far rather wait for a green man to tell me when it is safe.

And agree - particularly hard for visually impaired people.

SmallGreenBouncyBall Wed 24-Feb-16 10:04:59

yanbu

there is a consultation in my area to remove a pelican crossing next to a school. they want to put in a zebra crossing.
wtf

Catphrase Wed 24-Feb-16 10:07:35

Yes to the stupid raised things, people just plough through without caution.

I've noticed a lot more people not bothering to indicate which makes crossing tricky, they then shoot you evils for crossing in front of them.
I cross a busy round about which has a crossing either side. But the drivers are so busy watching the round about, they miss us pedestrians. It's blinking dangerous.
No bugger lets you go either

thetemptationofchocolate Wed 24-Feb-16 10:09:14

YANBU.

I got stuck in the middle of the road once. I was on a pedestrian refuge but I was there for about ten minutes before someone took pity on me and stopped their car so I could cross. At the time I was on crutches so couldn't dash across in the usual fashion.

InsufficientlyCaffeinated Wed 24-Feb-16 10:11:34

Yep near me there are several fast junctions where at every light cycle traffic is coming from one direction or another, no light cycle at all to stop all traffic so that pedestrians can cross. People often don't bother indicating either so you can't tell if lack of indication means safe to cross or if they are going to drive in to you and blast their horns. Also hate how roads are wide and curved at the end to allow fast turning of traffic but makes it less safe for pedestrians. Basically hate car dominant design in general. And how drivers think that when somebody is crossing it is acceptable to carry on driving at full speed while blasting their horn. The highway code says that a pedestrian has right of way no matter what the traffic lights but drivers never respect this and would rather see somebody standing in a dangerous position than slow for a second to let them cross. Could rant all day about this

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 10:15:10

Glad I am not alone!

So - what can we do about it? Who do we complain to? I genuinely think it is dangerous and not 'progress' as they seem to claim.

elliejjtiny Wed 24-Feb-16 10:15:33

YANBU. I haven't noticed any changes recently where we live though, it's always been a nightmare. We live next to an A road and it takes 20 mins to get across. Residents have been asking for a crossing since a 5 year old died crossing that road about 50 years ago.

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 10:16:09

Also - does anyone know what the official term is for the stupid raised things? Need to know that in order to make official complaint

<fire in belly now…>

Catphrase Wed 24-Feb-16 10:17:14

Thetemptation that's awful! I've done a 5 minute wait (longer than my entire walk to school should be) but not to let you go on crutches. That's awful.

The thing that gets me is half the time they just need to ease up and you could cross, not even change down or brake.

And yes to the Beeping at you as they turn into a road they've not checked is clear.

InsufficientlyCaffeinated Wed 24-Feb-16 10:17:55

I complain to my council traffic and roads dept and my MP but they respond as if they think I'm an anti-progress crackpot. Maybe I am if wanting to get around my local community safely is anti-progress hmm

Catphrase Wed 24-Feb-16 10:20:33

I guess the problem is until someone gets hit or there's x amount of car accidents to prove the raised things don't work they won't change it.

Rinceoir Wed 24-Feb-16 10:27:04

It's happening in my area too OP (north London) and I don't like it either. It's a pain when out with a toddler.

SmallGreenBouncyBall Wed 24-Feb-16 10:46:29

tfl is in charge of traffic signage in london.
major changes require planning permission at council level. dunno if I can dig out a link.

lostincumbria Wed 24-Feb-16 10:59:56

I love zebra crossings - most sensible solution invented.

SmallGreenBouncyBall Wed 24-Feb-16 12:15:55

not in our area where many drivers win their license in the lottery ignore pedestrians at a zebra crossing and even a red light at a pelican crossing is sometimes regarded as 'optional'

NotdeadyetBOING Wed 24-Feb-16 12:36:18

So true. Cars do tend to stop at red lights, at least. Next up are zebra crossings (at least they accept they are supposed to stop. But the raised things come way down the bottom of and seem to be ignored by pretty much all drivers.

And it's all very well making the valid point that as a pedestrian it is 'your right of way' but that's not a lot of use when you have been run over.

AlpacaLypse Wed 24-Feb-16 12:42:58

I'm currently using a pair of walking sticks and I must say I've noticed the traffic has tended to stop for me and wave me over. But whether that would happen if it was a much busier area or at a point where drivers are already having to look in six directions simultaneously is another matter.

CheshireChat Wed 24-Feb-16 13:20:15

What I don't really get is why they're making it difficult for the most vulnerable person aka the pedestrian. This reminds me of the Tesco car park near me and it's a nightmare. Sure, one car might let you cross but it some instances you would need another 3/4 to do the same. I'd be fuming if it happened in the city centre.

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