Feminism is to patriarchy as colonialism is to .... ?

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

Yes, I know IABU in putting this here, sorry.

Hoping someone clever is going to come along and find the missing word I need!

[SchnooSchnoo]

Empire? Although that doesn't really make sense. Not sure I'm afraid!

[InTheBox]

Imperialism?

[unweavedrainbow]

Indigenism, probably.

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

Another "ism" doesn't sound right, though I see what you're getting at.

"Empire" is sort of the closest, but it needs to have the sense of "the structure and attitudes of empire" in the same way that "patriarchy" has that sense re: men's dominance over women.

[unweavedrainbow]

You have ("way of fighting oppression") is to ("oppression") as ("oppression") is to ("?"). "?" clearly has to be another way of fighting oppression. Both Imperialism and Empire are other forms of oppression. Indigenism is a movement instigated by first peoples groups and other indigenous peoples to protect the ways of life of people who originally lived in a country before it was colonised. That's why I think it fits the best.

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

Ghandi.

Feminism is to Patriarchy as Ghandi is to Colonialism.

Or am I not getting it?

[InTheBox]

Invasion?
Appropriation?
World governance?

I'm interested to see how this plays out.

[ghostyslovesheep]

Independence

[DamsonInDistress]

It's the wrong way round surely? Feminisim is to patriarchy as independence is to colonialism?

[MaudGonneMad]

Feminism is to patriarchy as anti-colonialism is to imperialism.

Feminism and colonialism are not really like terms - one is about contesting oppression, the other equates to oppression.

[tabulahrasa]

Wouldn't it be...feminism is to patriarchy what emancipation is to colonialism?

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

Ah, yes, some very good points here. My lack-of-sleep-addled brain was, as several of you pointed out, mixing up terms (unweavedrainbow, you pointed it out very clearly, thank you!)

So - now I am thinking:-

feminism is to patriarchy as postcolonialism is to empire/indigenism/imperialism

My next question - what about disability? I am not sure there are any widely-accepted appropriate terms here.

feminism is to patriarchy as xxx is to disablism?

[LisbethSalandersLaptop]

too many isms, it doesn't make sense.

If 'disablism' is anti disabled people, why isn't "feminism' anti women?

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

Lizbeth - yes, very true, that is very confusing!! I want more 'archys' and less 'isms' (or just more sleep, perhaps)

[InTheBox]

But surely it depends on how one interprets the context. E.g. I accept that feminism as a movement has come very far but in the face of patriarchy it is merely not even a drop in the ocean iyswim. As such, the the corresponding word to colonialism should echo a similar sentiment. Do you see what I mean?

[DamsonInDistress]

Side note on the linguistics of 'feminisim' - Lisbeth is right and it's something I've mulled on over the years - why is feminism an ism when they are almost always negative in context? It's interesting, and unfortunately gives the patriarchy a ready made negative to jump on immediately. Just by being an ism it sets up negative connotations before people even begin to explore what it really is.

[LovelyFriend]

It's the wrong way round surely? Feminisim is to patriarchy as independence is to colonialism?

This ^ is word for word what I was going to say

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

In the box - I agree, it needs to be a word that shows the problem is structural and still exists. I don't think "independence" works in opposition to "colonialism" because it implies that political independence eradicates the attitude.

Perhaps it has to be colonialism / post colonialism , though that seems a bit too easy.

[tabulahrasa]

Well with post-colonialism as the comparison to feminism it'd kind of imply that we're post-patriarchy...and I don't think we are?

I mean I'm aware of post-feminism, but that's more about acknowledging feminism has happened rather than after feminism which is more what post-colonialism is about.

I don't think you've got the equivalent to disablism at all tbh as I think disablism is to a large extent still acceptable to a large section of society.

[InTheBox]

For the reasons mentioned it shouldn't be 'post colonialism'.

By the way Jon what's it for?

[thebestfurchinchilla]

Empiricalism? Is that a word?

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

lots of very thought-provoking comments here, I knew MN was the place :)

I am writing a student paper about disability-related issues, and am pondering about what the word is for the structural system that causes disablist attitudes (i.e. the equivalent to patriarchy) and the word for the opposition/challenge to that structural system (i.e the equivalent to feminism)

Was hoping to find more analogies in the colonialism terminology but it's not helping.

tabula rase - yes, i agree, disables is endemic within society, and it's hard to expose or discuss. Part of the problem is that there isn't enough terminology. I can't even find the right words for the system and the challenge to it!!!!

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

p.s. thefts, i think empiricalism is about something quite different - evidence-based experiments type thing: arguments based on evidence. I know what you mean, though, it's the relation to "empire", but i don't think that's the answer.

[tabulahrasa]

"I can't even find the right words for the system and the challenge to it!!!!"

I think you're too early...there are still people having to convince society that the social model of disability is what they should be working with.

It's still a disability rights movement in the way that feminism started as women's rights - that's my opinion anyway.

[JonSnowKnowsNowt]

Perhaps you're right tabulah. That is rather a depressing thought. Still, perhaps it gives me licence to try and coin my own terms.

The able-archy perhaps? ( which autocorrect altered to able-achy ...)