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to want to avoid playdates with DD

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HandAndShrimp · 28/01/2015 02:25

This has been going on for a few months now: DD (21 months) can be really possessive about toys, and is THAT child who snatches them out of other childs hands. It doesn't matter whether she is at home (with a child coming over to our house to play with her toys), at a friends house (playing with toys that belong to another child) or a playgroup (communal toys that belong to no-one), the behaviour is the same. I first noticed it at a playgroup several months back where there were 4 virtually identical buggies and every time another child started playing with one of the buggies, even if DD was already playing with another one, she would take the buggy off that child.

I have tried:

  • hiding her most favourite toys (on playdates at our house) so that the toys on offer are not her treasured ones (makes no difference)
  • distracting her with another toy (she just wants what is in another child's hands, I believe it is less about the toy and more about the 'taking away' if that makes sense)
    *taking the toy off her whilst telling her it is not how we behave/the toys are for everyone to play with/she can have a turn when the other child has finished (results in screaming and tantrums. If this repeats, I remove her from the environment).
    *supervising closely to see if this is something that the 2 children can resolve between them (usually results in either the other child letting her have the toy, them picking up another toy and her doing the same again, ad infinitum, or the other child holding on tightly and DD pitching a screaming tantrum anyway), intervening if there's pushing or screaming.
    I try to just provide a safe space when the tantrum starts (ie not massively kissy, fussy 'poor poor baby' etc but just stay close and hold her)

    What else?
    DD is still preverbal although I suspect understands quite a lot, does not use words, so I suspect a lot of the screaming is about the frustration of not being allowed to deprive another child of their toys! I'm trying to see the situation from her point of view, is it that she thinks she won't get the toys back ever, is she copying something she has seen others do (I've been wracking my brains for when I have taken things out of her hands but they have usually been the odd occasion she found a -blunt- knife, plugged in chargers or cups she has nabbed or things that I am trying to instil are not her toys, like our mobile phones, and telling her why I am taking them off her), is she experimenting with cause and effect - what happens when I . . . -, or a way of initiating social interaction?
    Initially I put this down to just being a stage of development, but does it really go on for months?

    I know I need to respond to this consistently but am unsure of the best approach and find playdates and play groups incredibly stressful, rather than chilling out with a cuppa and getting to know some other mums (new to this area) I'm the heli-mum I never wanted to be. Part of me wants her to be able to resolve this with other kids while the other part of me think is she is too young without expressive language. Same former part of me thinks that she will never learn to resolve this whilst I am stepping in and being the toy fascist, same latter part thinks that I look like a slack parent if I am not 'seen to be doing something about her behaviour'. I know the 'embarrassment' is all my own based on social expectations of how we behave that she has yet to learn and totally own that.

    She is an only child (so far), is generally happy and seemingly confident in playgroups and in approaching other children of all ages in any environment, and behaviour seems to be slightly worse when tired, she just keeps repeating until I take her home (which my gut tells me is not what she is angling for, as she seems to LOVE being out and about) so I get her home for a nap as most things we do now seem to be in the morning. I am a SAHM so getting out is also good for me (I have hermitty-tendencies left to my own devices) and I know she needs to have social experiences to get past this 'stage' but god, when will that end? (And I know, on to the next hairpulling thing. It doesn't end, does it?). Hiding out at home until the 'stage' is over is not the answer, I know (and how will I know its over if we don't 'go there')
    She has always been able to play or be entertained by something when out, whether its toys or not, and people have remarked on how mellow and easy-going she is, which she generally is.

    I guess this is less of an AIBU, feel free to move to Parenting if thats more appropriate, but god that was cathartic. Would appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/what you did if your child did this?
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HandAndShrimp · 28/01/2015 02:33

other thing I have done is when she has spontaneously gone and given toys to another child, I have been telling her what good friend behaviour she is doing and how caring/considerate/whatever her giving that toy was

then she starts the whole cycle of taking the toy off them again

Maybe I talk to her too much?!! I have talked to her and told her whats happening etc since she came out though, figured it was better than just going through the daily activities in unexplained silence!

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Bonbonbonbon · 28/01/2015 05:39

Honestly, I wouldn't worry. My friend's son (25 months) has language delays and does the same thing to my dd. It drives us both nuts because I can see my friend getting really stressed out but we both try to use constructive speech to the kids and that's a you can do really. She says similar things to her son as you say to your dd, and I really think most parents won't get annoyed by the behaviour as long as they see you communicating with your dd about it.

My friend's son has improved over the past few months (he used to bite). They'll grow out of it.

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KnackeredMerrily · 28/01/2015 06:10

Quite a long post for what us very normal behaviour! It's quite a tricky emotional grasp for a toddler.

As an adult, most of us have sat in a restaurant, ordered our sticky toffee pudding and been happily enjoying it when someone else gets a delicious looking ice cream sundae. If i hadn't learnt any manners I'd abandon my dessert and run over and devour it Grin

It's so difficult. Just keep at it

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claraschu · 28/01/2015 06:40

Don't worry; it's normal and she will grow out of it

Keep having friends over as she needs chances to practise.

Don't fuss or over explain, just make it clear that she can't grab things away from other kids if it bothers them. (Sometimes the other child doesn't mind and that is not the time to go on a tirade about how sad it makes the other child.) She will figure it out when she is ready, probably that will happen sooner if you are fairly consistent, but dispassionate about it.

Practise taking turns with her, rather than "sharing". You can share a pack of raisins or a large set of blocks, but you can't share a doll. Lots of kids seem to hate the word "share", so when you play with her say: "can I have a turn to hold the dolly? now it's your turn; now it's my turn again, etc" Having a turn is an idea that children seem to pick up eventually.

Make dates to play with other children outside at the park, where there are fewer toys to fight over and where they can take turns on the slide.

It sounds like you are doing everything right already, and no other reasonable parent would be annoyed either with you or with her.

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SummerHouse · 28/01/2015 07:11

I have not been in this situation but seen plenty of mums that have and they are brilliant mums. You are doing all the exact right things I think. The only thing you are doing wrong is thinking its your fault or that there is something else you can do. I found an amazing toddler group which was all child minders. This was like communal parenting where there would be no mums getting defensive. I also think that you notice your own children's bad behaviour much more than anyone else. I had a horrendous meal out with my two for a family member to come up at the end and say they had been "angels". Sounds to me like you are doing a great job. I am also a hermit at heart but on a rota at toddler group forced me to go which was good.

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HandAndShrimp · 28/01/2015 09:51

Cheers guys, you're reassuring me here!!
Knackered you are speaking my language, I totally get pudding envy!

Clara yep I totally agree with the sharing thoughts. Thats a great idea to more consciously practice turn-taking. I do do that to a degree now, when she tries to take things off me, but I might be a bit more clear with 'taking my turn'
I've also realised since posting this thats there's probably a largeelement of my own control-freakery at play too, gotta watch that!

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skylark2 · 28/01/2015 09:57

Have you tried actually saying "no"? Sharply, not a gentle "no darling we don't do that".

I know that sounds a bit odd, but nothing in what you've tried indicates that a preverbal child will have any idea that what she's doing is actually wrong.

She needs to learn that her behaviour is unacceptable. The screaming and tantrums are because she thinks yours is.

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HandAndShrimp · 29/01/2015 02:44

Yep I actually limit the 'no' though as she has picked up on it and it is one word she repeats over and over. More often I say 'stop' now. But no, I'm not exactly whispering gently either (but not yelling at her either ) definitely firm tone. Interesting point you make about her seeing my behaviour as unacceptable

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HandAndShrimp · 29/01/2015 02:47

And yep,very long post for something so apparently normal, I struggle with being short and to the point on fora as I want to provide what I think is relevant up front rather than drip feed. I know there is a stage of this kind of possessiveness but haven't seen it so much with other children with whom we have regular contact hence the post

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PragmaticWench · 29/01/2015 03:02

Your post reminds me of all the thoughts that flow through my head during a play date; 'are the other parents judging my approach?', 'is this normal?', 'should we leave?' etc...I also am a little hermitty, we sound similar.

As far as I've discovered from talking with parents whose children are now past this age, it's perfectly within 'normal' for the concept of sharing to not be understood until around two ish. Obviously some children get it sooner, which makes your child look awful, but don't forget you'll be hyper aware of your dd's behaviour. I bet the parents of a good-sharer have other things about their child that they're stressing about.

My approach is to grit my teeth and keep going to play dates, same as exposing my dog to situations regularly during his training. Puppies and children are rather alike.

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deliverdaniel · 29/01/2015 03:28

totally normal. When DS was a toddler we lived upstairs from a family with a toddler the exact same age. the other mother and i were friends but had totally different parenting approaches. I was much more strict and every 'infraction' got a sharp no, or a time out. Her approach was just to leave it/ shrug it off and usually did nothing. Both the kids took it in turns to be "that child"-who would grab toys/ pull hair/ bite or whatever. our respective parenting approaches really made no difference at all to the frequency/duration of these stages. Now both kids are lovely and neither of them behave like that any more and both take turns well. I think that it honestly is just a phase. Good luck OP- toddlers can be stressful!

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Purplepoodle · 29/01/2015 06:50

Never did play dates at home - my kind of hell with a toddler. We always go to the park or meet at a soft play toddler morning

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