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To fear the outcome of Indyref?

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thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:47

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

To fear the outcome of Indyref?
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mrscumberbatch · 16/09/2014 19:49

Bleh. Nobody is going to change their minds now. I'm so sick of campaigners everywhere.

I come onto MN for peace. Just deal with it whatever happens.

mrscumberbatch · 16/09/2014 19:50

And your kid will still be British. That doesn't change.

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:53

Sorry Mrscumberbatch and yes I know I am sick of campaigners as well - whatever happens it will of course be ok but to think that he will be a foreigner in a country that we call home is sad.

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JennyPiccolo · 16/09/2014 19:59

Foreigner? Ffs. My bestie lives in Canada, she's hardly a foreigner. My cousin lives in Korea,he's no less my cousin. His wife is Korean but she's still part of my family. Why would you think like that?

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 20:03

I don't think like that, I fear that he will be considered like that when in independent Scotland. Our family is practically a united colours of Benetton advertisement as we come from all over, and the beauty of the British identity is that it allows you to have many identities at the same time and to never feel like a foreigner.

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Numanoid · 16/09/2014 20:05

Agree with mrscumberbatch. They will both still be British, that won't change.

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 20:05

and the fear I think is valid, we have been accused of being "foreigners" on a number of occasions especially recently for not speaking with the local accent, for speaking with a foreign accent (my case) etc etc

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JudysPriest · 16/09/2014 20:07

Scottish and English family here. If you really think this will make you or any member of your family 'foreign' you need to get a grip.

For someone sick of campaigners you seem keen. Hash tags with sweet little kids? Lets all forget why we're voting, all the research and thought both sides have done (Yes and No) before deciding and have our hearts melted by a guy with a kid and some crayons.

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 20:09

I mostly try very, very hard to be polite on Mumsnet so please forgive me but:

For goodness sake what in earth are you expecting to achieve with this nonsense?

You are of course completely entitled to post what you want but you will not change one mind or influence one vote.

The people if Scotland have been discussing this massive, massive question for two years. We've read white papers, articles, books, websites, studied figures, watched debates and discussed it ^endlessly with our friends, families, neighbours, colleagues and complete strangers on the internet.

I'm actually quite offended that you think one picture of your kid will influence my vote in a subject that will influence my children for the rest if their lives.

This is serious, serious stuff. Please don't trivialise it.

Rant over.

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 16/09/2014 20:10

I cannot wait for this all to be over, fed up with all the threads and campaigners!

EverythingIsAwesome · 16/09/2014 20:13

I am terrified of a No vote, it is actually making me feel ill.

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 20:13

Either way it's not going to be over for a while Margery although no doubt the temperature will lower.

TheBogQueen · 16/09/2014 20:15

And the fact is that everyone in Scotland gets a vote no matter where you are from. I know German, Dutch, English, Pakistani, Polish people all voting. Some are Yes some are No.

A friend who is English by birth feels that independence will give him a chance to feel some ownership of a new country - ' a new scot' if you like.
For some people it's a chance of being part of a new country even if you are not originally from Scotland.
Questions of identity are more complex than the propaganda suggests.

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 20:15

It's the uncertainty Awesome. Either way I'm sure we'll gird our loins and soldier forward. It's what we do. Flowers

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 20:15

The point is to show that we, those who do not have a vote care. I am sorry if I offended anyone as it was not my intention to do so. Due to the hype about this over the last few days things got very emotional in my family and we just wanted to do what we can, too little and too late yes agree.

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Smilesandpiles · 16/09/2014 20:17

I get called a foreigner all the time and I'm from the same country as those who make that comment. It's only because my accent is different from the local one, nothing is ment by it.

EverythingIsAwesome · 16/09/2014 20:19

This is a huge decision for us to make, and shouldn't be clouded in sentimentality.

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 16/09/2014 20:22

Bright I'm not sure the temperature will be lower, I've said this on other threads, I think there will be riots. Not sure about elsewhere but some of the people I have spoken to (on both sides) get very very heated. All of my friends/family have decided that they will not be stepping foot in the City Centre for a while after it, certainly not this weekend.

Eva50 · 16/09/2014 20:22

I am terrified of a No vote, it is actually making me feel ill.

^^this. We are Scottish, living in Scotland and want to be governed by people who care for Scotland and for whom we vote.

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 20:25

EverythingisAwesome, I know this is huge and I do actually agree that my post can be considered as having trivialised it which was not my intention. But it is only because identity for me is so clouded in sentimentality that I did so.

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LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 20:26

EVERYTHING BRIGHTBUTCHILLY SAID x1000

I was furious listening to Cmeron tell me over and over that this isn't a general election. That this is forever.

Does he think we're fucking stupid?

Arrrgh

Over two years, at the very least, we have been discussing and thinking about this. For some it's been a life's work.

DesmondIsMyConstant · 16/09/2014 20:31

Unlike your husband I would be heartbroken with a no vote, and I do live in scotland and do get a vote.

Whilst your kid is quite cute do you really think that would be enough to make anyone seriously change their vote? I find that quite insulting.

I'm voting yes for the future of my own children. There are a huge amount of children living in poverty in scotland. There has been a recent campaign 'coats for kids' as there are children in my local area who will be without warm clothes this winter. The local food banks are begging for nappies as there are many parents only changing dirty nappies as they can't afford to change ones that are just wet. They are also looking for toothpaste as parents can't afford to clean their kids teeth. And for food that can be prepared using only kettles as the cost of using a cooker is to much for some families. These things genuinely sadden me and make me want to vote yes for a chance at a better future. I believe if we were better together we'd be better now and not have situations of extreme child poverty in a rich country.

A toddler holding a poster does nothing for me, sorry!

dotdotdotmustdash · 16/09/2014 20:32

This is not about sentimentality Op, and most Scots are very aware of their identity, I certainly am. It's about how we go forward, and whether we're willing to make a huge change (and take a huge risk) in return for living in a democracy again. The thoughts and feelings of those living in England aren't relevant.

weegiemum · 16/09/2014 20:34

This type of sentimental trivial nonsense makes me even more sure that yes is the way to vote.

TeamScotland · 16/09/2014 20:35

Yay, I found you all ... I was still on that 12 thread!

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