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Indyref 12 - keeping the ball rolling

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flippinada · 15/09/2014 20:38

Hope everyone doesn't mind, I'm to keep the discussion going. As you were folks :)

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StatisticallyChallenged · 15/09/2014 20:38
Chapina · 15/09/2014 20:40

Can I join in? I'm a No voter (not Scottish or even British, this is my adopted home!) and I'm in Glasgow, definitely a Yes mood on my street unfortunately.

livingzuid · 15/09/2014 20:41

Oops from old thread.

I don't see austerity in London. I see a boom. And amazing levels of investment.

London is a permanent building site. And there are more people there than the whole of Scotland so of course it will have more concentrated development.

Yet even with a smaller population there is a huge amount of investment in Scotland. Multi billion pound infrastructure projects, urban regeneration. It's amazing and wonderful to see. All of this will be in jeopardy with a Yes vote. I haven't had an answer as to what would happen to EDRF money if we leave the EU, for example. Any clues?

EarthWindFire · 15/09/2014 20:41

Welcome Chapina

OneNight · 15/09/2014 20:42

Repeat of that Donald Dewar quote for Cambio.

'Then there is the puzzling case of the party's economic spokesman. Within the same week he argued that it was possible to be British, to be proud of it, yet vote against Britain for separatism. And then just as quickly changed tack, describing the Union Flag as offensive, - a relic of colonialism. They tell me he is a nice young man - he did eventually apologise - but would you put him in charge of your finances?'

The more things change the more they remain the same.

Cambiodenombre · 15/09/2014 20:42

I have seen a lot more visible no posters in recent days (and thankfully no further vandalism of no signs) hope that is a good sign (no pun intended)

livingzuid · 15/09/2014 20:42

plasticpig so did I. Did I ever see Tessa Jowel do anything for her constituency or reply to letters our residents association sent about persistent antisocial behaviour and initiatives to change it? Not a sausage. Useless woman. Whilst people lived in falling down houses and starved. Is it any wonder so many Labour supporters have switched to vote independence?

And forgot to say yes to the huge amount of poverty in London. Sometimes it just sounds like sour grapes when I hear people talking about it.

flippinada · 15/09/2014 20:43

Hi Chapina I just joined in yesterday so I'm sure you would be very welcome too :)

StatisticallyChallenged that link doesn't work - I just get a blank page.

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EarthWindFire · 15/09/2014 20:44

I don't see austerity in London. I see a boom. And amazing levels of investment.

Then unfortunately you are looking in the wrong places.

Cambiodenombre · 15/09/2014 20:44

At this stage is anyone still genuinely undecided?

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/09/2014 20:44
StatisticallyChallenged · 15/09/2014 20:45

Apparently the SNP reckon up to 20% are still undecided. Course that could be because they think we're all "delayed Yes voters" or whatever the term was!

OneNight · 15/09/2014 20:45

I think that there will be people undecided until they go into the booths and then some.

squoosh · 15/09/2014 20:45

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Roseformeplease · 15/09/2014 20:45

I have been to Weight Watchers, who sell their food products under the umbrella of Heinz. They sell fairly unpalatable ready meals, pedometers, books, diet tips etc. You pay to join and then to attend meetings where you get a shirt talk (often involving selling a product under cover of a recipe or handy hint) and being weighed and having it recorded. I know that it can help to lose weight in company but there is no exercise component to the classes (.which other, similar, organisations have) and it is not always that successful long term.

It is a private company. Sarah Ferguson (Duchess of York) made money endorsing the US branch a few years ago.

Not in itself terrible but it is a private company taking dietician / eating advice on rather than it remaining in the NHS.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 15/09/2014 20:47

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Roseformeplease · 15/09/2014 20:48

There is also building in Scotland. The new Forth Rd Bridge, the A9, the A82 round Loch Lomond. The Edinburgh trams.

I am sure these projects benefit hugely, and I will benefit from many of them. I am also sure they don't have much effect on Cornwall or Cardiff but help the UK as a whole, just as projects in London do.

EarthWindFire · 15/09/2014 20:48

At this stage is anyone still genuinely undecided?

If you look at the polls then yes.

My Physio is undecided, she is having an internal argument between her heart and her head, although she is now leaning towards a no.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/09/2014 20:48

Also for Numanoid - don't want to bombard you with economics but these are two reports worth reading if you are looking at the financial side and haven't seen them already. From Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank.

Deutsche
credit suisse

cedricsneer · 15/09/2014 20:49

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Chapina · 15/09/2014 20:51

Hahaha at no austerity. Have you looked at the poverty levels recently, for London? It isn't a city which is unaffordable, it's jeut the gap is widening, there are people who are very, very poor (relatively) and people who are very, very rich, and if you're in the middle, you're moving out. My first home in the UK was a teen, on my own in Newham. Been back a good few times since moving here and I would say it is definitely feeling the effects of austerity. London is getting a lot of investment, but equally, it's nearly double the population of Scotland- the problem is, imo, they aren't investing in the right places. They are giving money towards making things better for the rich, like all over the UK, whether you're in London or Inverness or Swansea.

hambo · 15/09/2014 20:52

I was up in Comrie at the weekend. On the drive up many large Yes signs....not damaged. Two smashed up large 'No Signs', one slashed 'No' large banner, and one 'No ' sign with TRAITOR and GO HOME sprayed on it with yellow paint. It was scary when a local asked me what I was voting (no) - but he said he had changed from Yes to No because of the sign vandalism. I know lots of 'yes' voters are voting that way as they think it will achieve a better Scotland (in terms of society, environment or whatever), but it must be recognised by 'Yes' voters that there is a section of them which are Nationalists and who hate the 'English', hate the 'Tories', and anyone who does not agree with them is called the former....I don't want these people to have any power at all. If we cannot put up banners which disagree what state does that leave our country in?

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TeamScotland · 15/09/2014 20:54

cambio the news report on itv tonight said up to half a million undecideds. Seems high to me.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 15/09/2014 20:55

hambo yes, the sign vandalism has been one of the most infuriating and worrying parts of the campaign.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/09/2014 20:56

The vandalism is disgusting. What the heck has got in to people?

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