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AIBU?

To think that were are slowly moving away from the Victorian way of morning and dealing with death?

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HangingBasketCase · 14/09/2014 17:56

Sorry if this upsets anyone, but having recently suffered a fairly close bereavement it's something that I've noticed. The wearing of black, the maudlin music and hyms played at funerals it's slowly disappearing. I often read the obituaries in my local paper and more and more of the notices announce that the funeral will be a "celebration of life" and ask mourners not to wear black. The more traditional funerals tend to be reserved for the elderly, which is rather odd considering you should be celebrating a long life that's been lived.

Recently a young woman nearby died fairly suddenly and her family asked for bright colours only to be worn at the funeral. She was placed in a wicker coffin and during the service her favourite music was played. Afterwards at the wake pink balloons were let off, one for each year of her life. It seemed like such a lovely way to remember her, despite her only having lived a short life.

AIBU to think that by the time I reach old age the old the old Victorian way of mourning and dealing death will have vanished?

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gordyslovesheep · 14/09/2014 17:58

that's not new though - my grandfather passed away in 1987 and had a jazz funeral with 3 bands, a riotous party and no black

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ArabellaTarantella · 14/09/2014 17:58

People don't mourn any more, they celebrate life. Mourning is out.

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Bulbasaur · 14/09/2014 17:58

We had a fully on party for my great grandmother's death, had a great time. It was also one of those funerals where everyone gets a chance to get up and talk about the deceased.

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AdmitYouKnowImRight · 14/09/2014 18:01

I fond it hideously disrespectful TBH. I expect black, coffins with brass, incense and wailing, people wailing and throwing themselves in front of my hearse.

Or maybe they should be stiff upper lippering!

Im torn now. Stiff upper lip or wailing?

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CatKisser · 14/09/2014 18:02

I think you're right to an extent, but there will always be deaths that just seem to terrible and raw to try and celebrate the life of the person. My grandad died two years ago - he was late 80's and had refused cancer treatment and died in the night. Obviously it was sad and awful for my poor granny, especially when they recounted his life at the funeral, but there was definitely an air of...I don't know...I can't explain it. All I can say is he was very much loved, but it was expected.

When I was at uni there was a 20 year old woman who worked in admin at my department. She was funny, cheerful, helpful and friendly. She was epileptic and died completely out of the blue one day. Her funeral was a celebration of her life with bright colours, music etc, and I have always admired her family for finding the strength for that in such a time of absolute shock and distress.

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Nusalembongan · 14/09/2014 18:05

Admit I'm with you, I don't want anyone celebrating I want full on wailing and mourners (yes mourners not celebraters) throwing themselves at the hearse Grin!

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AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 14/09/2014 18:06

Interesting question! If I died long before my time, I would like to think that my family would be devastated and I would want the funeral to be a time when that could be acknowledged. I would hate to think that all this emphasis on life being celebrated was a way of pressuring loved ones to do what was easy for everyone else and not make life difficult by being sad.

Having said that, my grandmother died 3 months before her 100th birthday. My abiding memory of her cremation ceremony is that the family before us had chosen He's not heavy, he's my brother as the song to play while they all came outside. I'm even more moved when I hear that now than I was before. I assume the brother in question was no older than middle-aged, judging by the mourners and the floral messages (Uncle, Brother, Son - no Husband, Grandfather). Not a traditional mourning song but very poignant.

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Gatehouse77 · 14/09/2014 18:20

My mother's side of the family have always done funerals differently to most mainly, I expect, due to be non-religious.

A member of the family has always 'conducted' the ceremony with various people either speaking or having something read out. Music has played a big part too.

My mother's funeral last year was 1 and a half hours long. 2 of my siblings were conducting the service and altogether we had 5 people speaking and 3 who had something read out for them. In between lots of music. Thankfully, Mum had written down specific music she wanted, why and when to play it. The final piece being The Archers theme tune as she liked the idea of people skipping out of the chapel!

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LiverpoolLou · 14/09/2014 18:22

If everyone gets as pissed at my funeral as they did at my dad's and my nan's, I'm going to come back and haunt the fucking lot of them. Disrespectful pissheads .

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HangingBasketCase · 14/09/2014 18:22

I should have mentioned in my OP that I think burial is disappearing as well. I don't know of anyone who's been buried, no one in my family has been buried since the 60's and every funeral I've attended has been a cremation.

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AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 14/09/2014 18:25

I'm keen to be buried rather than cremated, but I think it is dying out, as it were. Smile

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Sunna · 14/09/2014 18:26

I prefer a proper funeral. I want to cry and say goodbye properly, not pretend to be happy.

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SacreBlue · 14/09/2014 18:27

I am very glad that the tradition of the wake is still alive. My wider family, and most of the surrounding families, have always held wakes.

I think it's a great tradition as it's wonderful to be able to chat about the loved one who has died, their life, funny stories, and sad recollections, and most important (to me) to have them at home to say goodbye.

On my own funeral, well I have already discussed this with my son, and he his with me. His original thought was that he would like to have me stuffed and in the house to freak out his friends Grin but now he's old enough to have seen Pyscho, we've agreed that it might not be the best idea in the world it still makes us laugh though

Atm both our thoughts are a wake, a humanist ceremony, a cremation & scattering of ashes but if/when we have a funeral to attend we usually do talk about how we would want to go.

I don't think I would want an upbeat song (on it's own anyway) I think it is important to have something in keeping for traditionalists as well as something in keeping with your own wishes (if they differ).

Wakes and funerals are personal choices but of course as much for the living as the deceased so for me it's right to have something in mind and communicate that while you still can.

Btw I do still like the idea of burial, being in a family plot I think is a lovely tradition, with a collective place to remember family. I just worry about the cost and overcrowding.

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Hanselsdad · 14/09/2014 18:29

The funeral IS the place for mourning. The wake is the celebration, sharing stories, celebrating the life.

It is right to mourn the passing of a loved one. It IS sad when someone dies, it's not the time for celebration!

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weebarra · 14/09/2014 18:30

When I was diagnosed with cancer and my mortality became all too evident, I sorted out my funeral stuff. Wicker coffin, green burial, pub! It will be a celebration of my life, because, even if I do die young (I'm 37 next week), I've had a fucking great one!

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OTheHugeManatee · 14/09/2014 18:31

Well, inasmuch as nobody wears black for years or gets their recently deceased loved ones dressed up and posed for photographs any more yes, we have moved away from Victorian ideas about death and mourning.

Inasmuch as some people seem to want funerals to be jolly and 'fun' I'm personally not sure I understand why this might be an improvement. None of the many funerals I've been to in the last three years would have been improved by being more spontaneous and fun and less, y'know, funerally.

Personally I think rituals and traditions are there for a reason. So often when one is recently bereaved people don't really know what to say, and saying the traditional thing doesn't have to be an empty gesture: it can be full of feeling, safe in the knowledge that you aren't putting your foot in it in the process.

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Hanselsdad · 14/09/2014 18:31

We saw some people scattering ashes a few weeks ago. They were laughing/crying, singing and in hysterics when the wind blew the ashes and their dog started chasing them and rolling around in them Shock.

It worked for them!

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HouseBaelish · 14/09/2014 18:31

If I don't get full on horse drawn hearse, a procession of mourners and an ostentatious tomb I'm haunting the fuckers who are left behind.

Sister dearest, do take note

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Gatehouse77 · 14/09/2014 18:33

I am donating my body to science so my family can do what they like, where they like. Over the years I have been to (far too) many funerals and have concluded that, for me, my family can decide how they want to celebrate/commiserate my death.
I don't have any religious or spiritual beliefs so I'd want them to choose how they'd like to remember me.

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OTheHugeManatee · 14/09/2014 18:34

Having said all that, I just remembered the days after my grandmother died. Grandma insisted she wanted to be laid out for three days in the house, the old-fashioned way, for a wake, and didn't want to be embalmed. It was a baking hot summer and we kept having to send my stepfather to Majestic Wine Warehouse for more bags of ice to pack the coffin Shock Then when we closed the lid I got the utter giggles while we were screwing it down. So not very Victorian I suppose Confused

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ConcreteElephant · 14/09/2014 18:34

I think burial is out these days simply because there's no room.

Also, families are more spread out now, and more mobile - the idea of a fixed place to go to mourn your lost loved ones is perhaps less important? Many prefer to have their ashes scattered somewhere meaningful to them or their families. I don't know, just ideas.

I don't think I have ever been to a burial, and I'm not short of funerals.

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Hanselsdad · 14/09/2014 18:34

I think it was on here that I read that someone's Dad was planning on paying a glamorous young woman to turn up in full mourning gear with a veil to weep loudly at the back of the church for his funeral Grin

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CarmineRose1978 · 14/09/2014 18:37

My mum died unexpectedly and painfully four years ago and my brother two years ago, and frankly I'd have made the world wear black if that had been an option. I'd have put out the sun if I could. I wished that Victorian-type mourning was more acceptable, as it still is in some cultures... There's a school of thought that so many people these days cope badly with the death of their loved ones because they're expected to get over it so quickly, rather than their grief being acknowledged and accepted as lasting for a long time.

WH Auden perfectly encapsulated how I felt at that time.

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beccajoh · 14/09/2014 18:38

I've had to face this sort of reality since my cancer diagnosis, and if I do go I want everyone to have a fucking party! I want people to remember me as I was, not a lifeless corpse in a box in a church.

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Viviennemary · 14/09/2014 18:38

I think everyone has to mourn in the way that is best for them. I'm the dress in black and tears person. And would prefer a sombre service and horse drawn carriage with eight horses with black plumes. Thank you.

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