to not belive a baby can dislocate its shoulder struggling in a buggy

(57 Posts)
Thinkmummy Tue 19-Aug-14 20:39:43

I try not to judge other parents each family has its own way of bringing up their child but this really got me angry.

my stepbrother who is a lot younger than me (20) had a one night stand girl got pregnant at 17. when she came to him saying it was his dna test was paid for and turned out was his. he has a lot of involvement with her although won't change her happy gets my mum or his mum to do that. which yes i do judge.

but what happened with baby's mum really miles me apparently 14 month old wouldn't get in her buggy so mum pushed her in held her down and baby dislocated shoulder from trying to get out. personally i don't think this could happen and think it was down to mum being a bit too forceful when strapping her in am i jumping to conclusions? or can this easily happen?

Thinkmummy Tue 19-Aug-14 20:40:35

*riles not miles

SorryForTheTypos Tue 19-Aug-14 20:41:14

It seems unlikely.

Iggly Tue 19-Aug-14 20:42:26

Unlikely. They're pretty flexible. I assume!e they went to hospital so hope they're on SS's radar....

TattyDevine Tue 19-Aug-14 20:44:36

It seems unlikely however, things to consider:

Was the baby's shoulder damaged at birth? Was there any shoulder dystocia?
Is the child hypermobile (sometimes this wouldn't have yet been diagnosed) or have some other kind of muscle/tendon type condition?

Some children can be fairly adamant about not going in buggies or car seats, my son used to go solid in the middle (we called it "The Plank" grin ) when he didn't want to go in his car seat, but we wouldn't force it, generally if we tickled him he'd start giggling and fold in two and we'd trick him in there!

So it may be possible but it might depend on other factors that only medical professionals would be able to analyse after examination?

I suppose it's theoretically possible, if the baby had brittle bones or a similar disability. But it seems unlikely for a normal healthy baby.

Worth informing SS about IMO.

hollie84 Tue 19-Aug-14 20:46:08

Baby/toddler elbows can dislocate fairly easily (yanking their arm, swinging them round etc) but not sure about shoulders. Obviously she was too forceful if she managed to hurt the baby but possibly she wasn't trying to cause harm or not as rough as it sounds. It must be very stressful being a teenage single mum with a useless ex.

gamerchick Tue 19-Aug-14 20:47:24

I can't see how it could happen either.

Putting them in takes a knack... put them in bucking and screaming and grab the strap that . goes between legs and lift it up.. They can't go anywhere then. Fasten left and right clip and either thread their arms through or just leave it under their arms. I can't see it being tight enough for them dislocate.

Yanking them by the arm I could but you would see bruising on the arm I would think.

If you have concerns then do something about it.. The hospital would have sent a report to social services anyway.

Goldmandra Tue 19-Aug-14 20:51:07

This will have been asked when the child was taken for treatment. The HV will also have been informed by A&E so it should be followed up and linked with any future injuries.

Altinkum Tue 19-Aug-14 20:53:40

I could see how it could happen, but it would without doubt be with force.... If this is the reason given at A&E then I'd expect SS to be asking questions.

TessTackle Tue 19-Aug-14 20:55:53

I do agree it seems far fetched, but my DD dislocated her own elbow just rolling over on it at 4 months.

Thinkmummy Tue 19-Aug-14 20:59:05

that's reasuring that it would have been passed onto ss/hv. i don't really see the lovely little lamb enough to see if its a regular occurance and never met the mum. i know full well how hard it is to get a screaming toddler into a pushchair/ car seat I've got a 22 month old myself as tattydivine said distraction is key!

WhatsMyAgeAgain Tue 19-Aug-14 21:02:19

My neice dislocated her elbow aged about 15 months. No one's sure how it happened. It can and does happen

Moreisnnogedag Tue 19-Aug-14 21:06:35

A dislocated elbow is one thing but a shoulder in a child is tricky to do. There should have been massive red flags raised when she went to A&E. Did she go to A&E? Sometimes people say things that are an exaggerated truth - so a pulled shoulder will become dislocated in the re-telling.

ikeaismylocal Tue 19-Aug-14 21:18:15

As a teenager I babysat for a familiy with 3 children all of whom had dislocated shoulders, their familiy had a weakness in their shoulders so you had to be really careful when holding hands or playing with the children, it's possible this baby has a similar thing.

My dp dislocates his shoulder regularly by doing everyday movements like reaching up to a high shelf or diving into a swimming pool.

Janethegirl Tue 19-Aug-14 21:32:54

My Ds can dislocate his shoulder to order. It did freak out the hcp when it was being xrayed.

Hedgehog80 Tue 19-Aug-14 22:16:41

Dd2 dislocated her shoulder aged about 18 mths in the buggy (she has EDS), she was strapped in but got hot so I tried to take her coat off her by unzipping them pulling the sleeve but it pulled her shoulder out too. Never heard a child scream like it, was horrid.

Jellified Tue 19-Aug-14 22:34:57

Snap Janethegirl ds2 can dislocate his shoulder at will too and has caught a few people out. However it has never happened accidently or as a result of trauma.
OP this could be a genuine accident and an isolated incident. Keep an eye but don't jump to conclusions unless of course there are other red flags.

queenofthemountain Tue 19-Aug-14 22:36:09

It's not just the amount of force, applied to a joint but its direction and the stability of the joint too.
.I am a gymnastics coach and have seen many breaks and dislocations over the years.Injuries are strange things.Just stepping off a 9'' high bench can cause a more serious injury than peeling off the bars.

ExitPursuedByAKoalaBear Tue 19-Aug-14 22:39:18

I used to dislocate my shoulders all the time. And we have now discovered that dd has a permanently dislocating shoulder.

I don't think anyone has reported us to SS.

queenofthemountain Tue 19-Aug-14 22:39:51

..and also meant to say some people who ahave flexible shoulders cn pop them in and out at will.

hippo123 Tue 19-Aug-14 22:41:35

Can quite easily happen. Her Hv will be sent an a&e report and it will be flagged if necessary. My dd disacated her shoulder by my dh picking her up by her arms whilst she was having a tantrum. These things happen.

Lonecatwithkitten Tue 19-Aug-14 22:44:50

I have a dysplastic shoulder I can dislocate and relocate it at will by contracting my muscles in certain ways.
Yes in normal shoulders it would be difficult, but there are a whole variety of conditions that can cause it to happen easily.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 19-Aug-14 22:46:40

I'm going to go with yes it can happen if there are certain factors in play.

I wouldn't judge just yet

ChocolateButtercups Tue 19-Aug-14 22:50:08

It could be a sign of ehler danlos syndrome or the child could be very hypermobile and its not been picked up yet by her gp or hv. My son wasn't diagnosed with hypermobility until he was 4 and I was dx at 23.

Have a look online and see if she has any other signs. Have you ever had any concerns before about her welfare?

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