Nightmare neighbour we rent wwyd(71 Posts)
Hi there sorry for the long post and I know this is going to sound so petty but I've had enough of this neighbour .
We moved to this house 1 year ago and as soon as we moved in our ndn started constantly knocking telling us she is having this and that done to her property and would knock again to remind me fair enough ok to begin with
. Each time she has something done it requires someone to be down the side of our house up a ladder to her guttering or in our back garden . I did not have a problem with it at first I'd say yea sure that's fine even tho i knew I'd be taking the kids to school and whoever was doing the work would be in the way of my pram but they moved all there stuff each time little but annoying but ok.
Twice this happened in a matter of weeks . She then had railings put up out the front so the workman were in our garden again and parking over our dropped kerb even tho she has a ridicuolous massive drive so I had the hassle if my husband having the hump when he got in coz the builders wanted to argue with him about moving their van even tho it's blocking our property and all of them being in our front garden making it a mess whilst hers looked immaculate .
She then knocks again a few days later when I'm in the bath so kids answer age 10 7 and 3 she starts asking them for my mobile number so she can remind me she's having the bloke up the side of our house again my ds says I don't no it then starts shouting for me just to add they never answer the door but because they knew it was her they could .!! I come down in a towel and said yes do what u have to do . She then knocks the day before he comes again to remind me this is when I tell her she's got to stop knocking now as it's getting to me and that I want a bit of peace from having people in our garden and that we feel we are being pestered . We'll that didn't go down well she went on to tell me I cannot grow my plants up her fence in the back garden . So petty but hear me out . This fence is actually in the boundary of our garden so is legally our landlords but she decided to out a fence panel in it herself so she thinks that part of the garden is hers apparantly the reason she said this is because we fitted some metal trellis along the top all the way round our garden for extra protection from burgulars as our garden backs directly onto the street and not to grow plants up .
Dictating what I can and can't do it my own garden ! Anyway all ok for a few weeks then I get the call from the estate agents
You next door neighbours rung can she ..... I said no without even hearing what she wanted done obviously they have to ask our permission told what has been going on the past few months with her pestering us and not being able to live peacefully and us disturbed so they said ok they will let her know .
Didn't hear anything more about it so I went out with my parents for lunch . Come home and see a van parked over my drive blocking my car in and 2 men down the side of my house where the drain is.
I'm thinking they are trying to get in through the side gate gone running up and said what the bloody hell are u doing only to be told they are from the estate agents the neighbours rung to complain that her drains blocked and is saying it's us that's causing it !!!
They knocked at her house she never answers when she's home even tho she calloed them
Our drain was totally clear so it's not us causing the blockage they tried to tell her that but no answer so they said the office will ring what a fucking cheek she has .
A couple of weeks later I get another call about something she wants doing now and apparantly dues wrote a letter to the landlord asking to because we have said no and put our toto down . I've gone nuts at the agent slammed the phone down and gone to tell her what she is doing has to stop but guess what she wouldn't answer the door .
So I waited till she went out and come back then caught her when she was going in .
I'm not pleased that I shouted at her I did not swear once even tho I wanted to told her everything she has done and that just because we rent don't give her to right to think she can go over our heads to the agent and landlord as they still hav to ask our permission and we have as many rights as someone who owns which she dissagreed with argghhh .in the end I said you obviously gave some form of OCD and are obsessed with having things don't to your house please don't speak to me anymore and you are a busybody and went in . Here's an example of that ... Every Monday morning before the dustpan come she puts out 3traffic cones along the edge of the curb on the oath where her house is to stop the dust man pulling the bins on it and dustcart touching the kerb and stands there watching the poor buggers when they are trying to do their job it's cringing !!
Our landlord rang and wanted to come round to find out what's going on so we had a really good chat all he did was say all I can do is apologise for her behaviour all we care about is you so we will make it incredbally difficult for her now whenever she wants anything don't she has to contact me (landlord) and I have to be present all day watching them to make sure everything is cleared up properly and they are not taking the piss .
After she found that out haven't heard a thing this was 3 months ago now today the bloke who goes up the side of our house has turned up in his van and was looking down the side of our house before he started doing the work so I'm expecting a knock from him .
Should I tell him to tell her to fuck off she knows the rules now he obviously knows all about me from her too as she's a gossip
Just to add this woman is in her early 70s has all her marbles is mobile and out and about so it's not like she's some little old frail lady who needs help and doesn't no any better . She the type that rings up to complain about everything to the council about others and the estate agent about us
Quite a few more things have happened as well which I didn't add but this is the basic story as it's long enough already lol
Sorry for the rant thanks guys xx
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I think also she's just been let to do what she likes with the previous tenants so she just expected it with us . The first ever conversation we had with her was her telling us what she has done to her house each year not o hello I'm ... Where u from do u like it here ect so we sort of knew straight away we was going to have problems also her house is immaculate nothing needs doing it's just an obsession
in don't really understand the problem now. you've got the landlord and estate agent on board, just step back and let them handle everything. You don't own the house so can't really give permission anyway, let the landlord handle it and just keep saying "speak to the landlord as agreed" if ever she asks you anything.
I don't think I could bring myself to tell a 70year old woman to fuck off tbh, however annoying. I would just keep on the way you are, and try to ignore her as much as possible
I haven't got any advice but wow she sounds a bit of a pain so you have my sympathies
Lol I'm so sorry it's so long but it could of been longer hehe o believe me if she lived next door to you would want to even a saint would probably want to swear at her but I wouldn't swear anyway I'm not that type of person was just using that as a idea lol
Yes that sounds like a good idea I'll just tell whoever to speak to the landlord feels so much better I got all that off my chest
Sorry, I'm really struggling to understand what (apart from blocked drive) has been so inconvenient?
So correct me if I'm wrong... but your ndn is having problems with her drains/guttering. In order for these to be fixed a builder/plumber needs to use the side passage which is in your garden. In 1 year of living there this is happened - by my count from the OP - 3 times. Plus once when your ndn put up a new fence. In addition to this your ndn has gone out of her way to keep you well informed about what is going to happen.
YABU - I don't get what she has done wrong. What kind of person would say that their neighbor can't fix problems with their guttering because it means you lose the use of a small part of your garden for one day very occasionally. I'm amazed your estate agent and landlord are being so accommodating to you.
I'm the same as NannyOgg the woman has had work to do on her house...she's told you when it might affect yours but you're losing your temper over it for no reason. She sounds fine apart from the trellis issue which to be fair, has altered the look of her garden as it's visible.
Way too long and TBH it doesn't matter if her house is immaculate ,if she wants to pay someone to repaint it every week that is up to her . The only real complaint you seem to have is that her workmen block your drive but that's them not her so complain and then get over it . The way you are going your landlord will ask you to leave because most landlords like to get on with their neighbours especially in areas where there is a mix of owner occupied and rented .
She needed work done that required access to your landlord's property. She asked you nicely, then reminded you nearer the time in case you'd forgotten. Whenever her workmen were in your way they moved.
You've started to be unpleasant about it, and last time she rang you slammed the phone down on her without even letting her speak.
She's understandably cautious about answering her front door as she's 70 years old and lives on her own. You have accosted her outside her house though and yelled at her.
She doesn't need your permission to access the property you rent anyway, you don't own it. She's contacted your landlord and their letting agent to sort the problems out. If they grant her workmen access then they should let you know.
Your landlord is being pretty nasty if they really said they would make things incredibly difficult for her any time she wants work done.
She and her workmen are entitled to access the space between the two houses I'm sure.
Like previous posters I don't see what she's done wrong either. You on the other hand sound like you are being obstructive and intimidating an elderly lady.
I can see that parking across your drive is inconvenient, but that doesn't exactly make her a nightmare neighbour. I'd say there is a possibility you are though.
Landlord and agent cannot give any one permission to him in the property or on the land without tenant agreeing otherwise it breaks the law.
I wouldn't want people in my garden doing jobs to another house that does not affect mine and makes a was issues for the pram/blocking the drive and making my drive dirty.
You lost me at old bag to be honest, and I can't see what the huge problem is.
Live and let live, it all sounds very petty.
Your poor neighbour! She's trying to get things fixed, keeps you in the loop, bur she blocked your drive one time in the so-doing and now she's the anti-christ? Poor, poor woman.
My understanding was that they are accessing your property needlessly because she doesn't want hers messing up. Not wanting plants growing up the fence in case it detracts from her garden etc. Hers is immaculate because yours is the one being destroyed by the work, you are the ones being inconvenienced because she doesn't want to be. Just keep referring them to your landlord say you need him to confirm it is ok to proceed.
Tenants are entitled to "quiet enjoyment" of their property, but really, I don't see this is a huge problem for op on the scale of things and it certainly appears that she's treating an old lady quite badly. It would have been more sensible to sit said neighbour down with a cuppa and have a chat about what work she's planning over the next few months and how to manage it.
I'm struggling to see what the issue is. She has knocked on your door several times to keep you informed and you are annoyed at that? Would you rather she just went ahead and did stuff which meant coming onto your side of the boundary without asking?
She needs to maintain her property and if that means that she needs to sometimes use your side of the boundary then the neighbourly thing to do is to allow it.
The builders should not have blocked your drive but builders sometimes just park where they want and I doubt your neighbour encouraged them to park so inconsiderately.
Usually there is a clause in the deeds that permits access from others' gardens to do maintenance work with notice. She is actually following this to the letter by asking and reminding, however much of a pita it seems. If it were your drains blocked you'd soon expect the ll to do everything in their power to resolve it even if it meant encroaching on her garden. Bear in mind your drainage may be linked so she could be doing you all a favour sorting it out before it affects you.
If you are frustrated write to your landlord and complain that this is interfering with your peaceful enjoyment of the property . However as a tenant there is probably little you can do and I would question whether you should have put metal trellis etc up at all.
If I were a landlord I'd be giving you notice at the end of your lease. You are being obstructive to your neighbour who needs access to have problems fixed, and there is no knowing if those problems not being fixed may then impact on the property you are living in. You sound quite horrible to live next to really.
You abused her on the street, trying to diagnose her with a mental health condition with absolutely no valid reason. That's just cruel, nasty and makes you a really unpleasant person. I'd be on to your landlord complaining about your behaviour really.
Also....I would much rather live next door to a neighbour who has an immaculate property and maintains things even if it means coming onto my side of the boundary than live next door to a scruffy git who doesn't look after their house or garden and has it in a state.
Midnite well you'd be a most unreasonable landlord then wouldn't you? the OPs certainly been overly fussy etc but she's paid the rent and looked after the property....so what's the reason for giving her notice?
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