To think being anti Israel isn't the same as being anti semetic

(178 Posts)

Just like being anti extremist terrorist isn't the same as being anti Muslims.

GalaxyInMyPants Sun 27-Jul-14 10:11:16

I would agree with you. I know Jewish people who are against what Israel is dong.

DogCalledRudis Sun 27-Jul-14 10:12:18

Been to a Gaza demo. Quite a few Jews. Try calling them anti-semitic.

softlysoftly Sun 27-Jul-14 10:13:07

YANBU at all

Revenant Sun 27-Jul-14 10:14:57

Yanbu. Jewish and Israeli are not interchangeable terms, and it is a bit of spin by the Israeli government to equate any criticism of its actions or policies as an attack on all Jewish people.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett Sun 27-Jul-14 10:17:32

YANBU.

Revenant Sun 27-Jul-14 10:22:34

And I would add, you can oppose the actions of the Israeli government without being anti-israel. There are a fair few Israeli citizens who disapprove of their own government, just as there are plenty of people in the UK who oppose the coalition.

Hoppinggreen Sun 27-Jul-14 10:24:28

Agreed

JohnFarleysRuskin Sun 27-Jul-14 10:31:08

You mean anti Israel as in you don't believe in the right of Israel to exist or you mean anti Israels current policy?

Hoppinggreen Sun 27-Jul-14 10:32:15

Oops, pressed too soon
Israel and it's supporters seem to think that due to past events they always hold the moral high ground.
You would think that their past would make them less likely to commit genocide but seemingly not

QuintessentiallyQS Sun 27-Jul-14 10:32:49

Agreed.

I disagree with anyone trying to harm their enemy through killing their children. Bombing hospitals and schools is disgraceful!

What is this going to do with the young Palestinian population and future relationship building wigh Israel long term ?

Latara Sun 27-Jul-14 10:35:46

Sadly some people are both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. For example some pro-Palestinian protestors in France have attacked synagogues which is a horrible link to the past. sad

But yes, you can be anti-Israel's actions (assuming that's what you meant) without being anti-Semitic.

Lots of Jews are not Zionist, or they oppose Israel's current actions. As posters above have said - many Israelis oppose their own govts actions. Because the current govt. of Israel is very hardline and many Israelis did not vote for them.

JohnFarleysRuskin Sun 27-Jul-14 10:36:19

Gosh so everyone here is anti- Israel not anti-Israels govt or policies etc.
well, well, well.

YANBU.

JohnFarleysRuskin Sun 27-Jul-14 10:38:02

So when you opposed the war in irag, you said you were anti- England? Or when you oppose the war in Syria you said you were anti Syrian?

It's funny I never heard people say it like that.

Jinsei Sun 27-Jul-14 10:38:29

I'm not anti-Israel or anti-Semitic, but I am opposed to Israel's stance with regard to the Palestinian issue. I'm sure that many Jewish people share my concern about this.

somewheresafe Sun 27-Jul-14 10:38:52

Yadnbu. I'm Jewish and on other threads I've been accused of being anti semitic when I've criticised the current massacre israel is committing.

Every Jewish person I know is an to Israel at the moment.

somewheresafe Sun 27-Jul-14 10:39:38

Anti Israel that should read

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Sun 27-Jul-14 10:40:15

I'm not sure what you mean OP. Are you against Israel as a country? Or their actions towards the Palestinians?

HelenBrx Sun 27-Jul-14 10:41:23

YANBU of course - though being "anti-Israel' is a useful little dog whistle to appeal to people who are anti-Semitic - same as being anti-immigration can be used as an acceptable way to present racism. When you see people saying 'How can Israel do this sort of thing when they have the history of the Holocaust' - it's pretty obvious they're conflating the ideas of Israel and Jewishness when it suits them.

JohnFarleysRuskin Sun 27-Jul-14 10:42:40

Anti israels current policy or anti Israel?

Jinsei managed it. I struggle to understand why people can't state clearly what they mean.

I'm against their actions towards the Palestinians.
I don't know enough about the formation of Israel as a state to comment on how 'fair' it is but I hope to read more about it and understand it more.
I find the borders of countries and the idea of separate states/countries etc a weird concept anyway. We all live on one world it's possibly a simplistic view but I don't really see why we need to separate the world so much.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Sun 27-Jul-14 10:47:45

I absolutely agree Helen.

JohnFarleysRuskin Sun 27-Jul-14 10:48:43

So whenever you're anti a countries actions you call yourself anti that country - like anti- Afghanistan, anti Sudan, anti Russia, anti America?

O-kayyy

meltedmonterayjack Sun 27-Jul-14 10:53:16

I'm Jewish but cannot agree with Israel's policies in this situation. Then again I can't agree with Palestine's either. This is a war of attrition and neither side seems able to think "this is absolutely terrible, isn't get either of us anywhere" and work towards peace.

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