to be absolutely furious about football chief and emails referring to women as 'gash'??

(358 Posts)
BeanAboutTown Mon 12-May-14 09:46:04

Sorry if there are other threads about this, couldn't find any.

Richard Scudamore, head of the Premier League, has been merrily sending emails referring to women as 'gash' and 'skinny big-titted broads', 'irrational' and lots of other incendiary misogynist shite.

Oh but he's apologised. That's nice eh, nothing to see here

Apparently he reports to the Premier League Board, which is two people, one of whom is errrrrr Richard Scudamore

AIBU to think an apology is nowhere near enough and he should bloody well resign?

It's been reported that the Premier League's women's officer has been told not to make any comment. Wouldn't want the shiny-suited money-making boys' club to be unnecessarily disturbed by any harpies would we

Anyone for a Premier League boycott next season? (Congrats to Man City by the way) How about we all give our money to the women's game instead

merrymouse Tue 20-May-14 07:57:22

Apparently 'representative woman' Karren Brady thinks Scudamore isn't sexist. I can't argue with that being her opinion, however, I suspect that, having got her big break working for David Sullivan, her sexism perception radar is set a little differently to mine.

This isn't the thought police. Obviously there are many idiots around who think that the 50% of the population with ovaries are irrational and that is perfectly legal. The issue here is that one of those idiots is being paid to promote equality. It disqualifies him from the job.

Nomama Mon 19-May-14 20:29:39

And he got off without even a wrist slap. They accepted his apology and he will make sure he isn't caught doesn't do it again!

Kewcumber Mon 19-May-14 15:05:18

He didn't accidentally email them to a colleague who happened to be female. His emails were all copied to his PA (who didn't become a woman when he wasn't looking) which he knew.

He either didn't care that his PA read all this claptrap or didn;t think her opinion matters or didn't think his opinion to be a problem.

I have a problem with any one of those scenarios in a work environment and question his capacity to do his job effectively which is what his employers should do (and I believe are).

I believe that women in his workplace are entitled to a degree of protection from their employer from being subjected to this during working hours.

Maybe he's going to claim he didn;t think his PA could actually read.

nonmifairidere Mon 19-May-14 14:18:48

nn - obvs.

nonmifairidere Mon 19-May-14 14:17:29

WooleyThinking - good choice of non.

WoolleyThinking Mon 19-May-14 14:12:57

Scudamore is a fool for broadcasting his filthy language to female colleagues using work email.

The words he used are deliberately shocking to cause the recipient (his mate and colleague) to have a laugh.

I don't think using those terms in jest, in a private conversation with another man who clearly doesn't find the terms offensive implies sexism or misogyny. The fact that he emailed them to a 3rd party who happened to be female shows he is computer illiterate, that is all.

For the record, "Gash" was not a term he used, he said the other things - it was his colleague that used that term. I personally think it's quite a funny word just like many words for the male genitalia are quite amusing.

I think the Though Police are overstepping the mark here. Scudamore she make a big donation to women's charity and get some IT skills!

merrymouse Fri 16-May-14 14:52:15

It isn't Scudamore's smutty 'humour' that is objectionable - it is the clear evidence that he is unable to see 50% of the population as functioning human beings, yet he is employed to promote equality.

This isn't a witchhunt, it is questioning whether he is able to do his job. Poor soul, what with the inability to understand email and the dinosaur attitudes, clearly he isn't.

sashh Fri 16-May-14 10:50:32

Do we really think that every person that makes these types of joke is truly sexist?

Yes.

And it is as bad as racism, disablism etc.

Wizard hunts are easy, just look for the pointy hat poking above the office partition. That'll be your Wizard, right there.

grin

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 10:33:53

It's a wizard hunt!

Language is so revealing, isn't it smile

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 10:25:31

And it's not a 'witch hunt'.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 09:57:29

The people running Scudamore's hearing wouldn't otherwise be using those free hours to stamp out sexism, they would be doing other employment related matters.

And I investigating sexist comments made by someone so high profile would be sensible even if it came out of the "sexism fighting hours"

JohnFarleysRuskin Fri 16-May-14 09:37:44

Mr Scudamore now has a witch hunt after him- wasted time that could be directed on really pushing sexism out of football.

You think its a waste of time to challenge one of the men whose role is to push sexism out of football on his own sexism?

No, whatever consequences are in store for this delightful chap won't, on their own, achieve much. But they will achieve more than him skipping off with none.

If you analyse humour like this, to me it seems founded in the basic inferiority of the group being mocked relative to the mocker, backed up by the idea that society quietly agrees and supports this. So, removing that tacit support helps the banter lose some of this acceptability. Like how making crude racist jokes just isn't funny among most people.

And if all that is achieved by whatever consequences he will face is that sexist old men like him are more circumspect, this will have the effect of starting to change football's culture. And in a while, these old men will retire and the hidden prejudices will disappear with them. If they aren't told in no uncertain terms that their nasty prejudices are unacceptable, then they will endure.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 09:10:09

Tbh even men becoming more careful with their emails is something.

MrsLS Fri 16-May-14 08:38:34

I hope you are right and it does result in a change and not just that these men will be a bit more careful with their emails. There are people making huge advances and working tirelessly on anti discriminatory boards within football (at all levels). They are putting procedures in place to stop all forms of discrimination. In my experience, I would say that we are years away from making the progress that has been made in tackling racism in sport. This is still a "jobs for the boys" industry, chauvinism runs deep within the actual clubs/industry. Look at Richard Keys disgraceful comments - they are back with their own radio show again!? (Sorry...have gone off at a tangent!)

The big picture is made up of lots of little things. Enough little things change, the big picture will. Pennies, pounds, etc.

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 08:14:10

It's a very instructive technique.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 08:12:20

Part of changing racism in football was singling out those who made racist comments.

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 08:11:14

I think it will change something.

MrsLS Fri 16-May-14 08:05:41

I didn't say he shouldn't be singled out, I said it will (sadly) not change the immense problem that sport has where sexism is concerned.

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 07:54:17

Of course he should be singled out, precisely because of who he is and what he is paid to do.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 07:50:26

"The bigger picture will not be changed by singling him out."

He's not Joe Bloggs, shelf stacker, with no power or influence. He is head of an organisation that is trying to promote women in football - if it's not him that should be singled out, then who?

Do we really think that every person that makes these types of joke is truly sexist?

Yes sad

The bigger picture will not be changed by singling him out.

I disagree. I think that criticism from women will make fuck all difference to this person, who clearly regards himself as a superior being. But being sanctioned officially sends a message that this misogynistic behaviour won't be tolerated among the football establishment.

Without a basic respect for women as people, all the initiatives to encourage women to get involved will mean fuck all in real terms.

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