to think that 'banning' cot bumpers is a bit OTT

(117 Posts)
gotnotimeforthat Wed 30-Apr-14 08:07:09

I recently saw a facebook page with a petition to ban cot bumpers because sadly a 9 month old died after suffacating by the cot bumper wrapped around his neck. I can't even begin to imagine what the parents must be going through but still i can't help but think that the petition is OTT.

This is because:

1) with double knots i struggle to get the bumper of the cot myself, it took me 15 minutes to take it off this morning so i could wash it. I check every night that it is secure.

2) I personally use a bumper because i don't want my DS to put his arms through the bars, if he grabs hold of something he wll pull at it until he reahes at it so he can stick it in his mouth, he then slings his head forward over and over ( he's breastfed so he does this to me a lot too, he's saying he's hungry) I would prefer my baby not to be headbutting the wooden bars of the cot. with a bumper he has nothing to grab onto.

3) I think blankets have a higher death rate but as far as i am aware there is no petition to ban those.

So AIBU?

Igggi Fri 16-May-14 00:24:08

Very sorry for your loss sad

NadineK Thu 15-May-14 16:38:23

This post is about my grandson. He died when he was nine months old. His mummy and daddy began a facebook campaign to raise awareness of the dangers of cot bumpers.
Preston died when the ties on his bumper SNAPPED. The ties were still very securely tied to his cot, the bumper itself was around his neck. It doesn't matter how well tied on the bumper is, it can still take a life.
I also know the grandmother of a baby in America who suffocated against his bumper. That too was tied on properly and tucked in well.
These aren't one off cases. Lots of babies have died, and families been devastated, because of bumpers. That's why they are already banned in Chicago and Maryland and a ban is currently going through in Illinois.
Bumpers can and do kill.

Andcake Fri 02-May-14 15:18:17

Preston's story is heartbreaking. I had read not recommended after 6 months and he was 9 months plus. A ban would be good but proper warning and labelling ( as I don't think a ban is realistic knowing the commercial world) and knowing many people just don't research things properly!

eskinosekiss Thu 01-May-14 15:39:15

wheresthelight gotnotimeforthat I didn't say 'lots of posters', I said 'some posters'

And there are 4 posters on this thread who have said they have used a bumper because its pretty/they put it on and went aaah/they have it at the foot of the cot 'just for decor'/chose one brand rather than another because it looked 'cooler'.

So not one person.

Woobeedoo Thu 01-May-14 15:19:19

You can buy Airwrap from Amazon, John Lewis and Kiddicare which is where I got mine.

Before I fitted them I bunched up the whole wrap, put it over my face and nose and inhaled gently - no problems breathing through the mesh at all.

The Velcro means you can pull the wrap really snuggly round the cot bars - bumpers with ties may not line up with the spacings of all cot bars.

maddening Thu 01-May-14 14:53:33

Just re the "no one knows what causes sids" surely the cause in each case is different - it's not a disease it is an end result which cannot be explained - so there may be many different causes and when studied certain factors increase risk.

eg using a second hand mattress is thought to increase fumes and spores from unseen fungus and bacteria then breathed in by a dc

But th

wiltingfast Thu 01-May-14 14:33:02

Ah OP, cars obviously have very serious benefits to them, I don't know if you've noticed? They get you from a to b in a hurry? Plus, there are a lot of rules and regulations about how you use a car? Not really comparable imo.

A cot bumper on the other hand is completely useless decorative item. I know you feel you are stopping your child bumping his head or getting stuck in the bars but really, those are very minor events and I would think it likely your child will adapt.

I don't know anything about the airwrap bumper but it does sound like it might be a good alternative.

TillyTellTale Thu 01-May-14 13:46:01

wheresthelight

We now know that cigarettes cause lung cancer. We know this because Sir Reginald Hill discovered the correlation between smoking tobacco and lung cancer. Then, scientists worked out how.

dontriskit Thu 01-May-14 13:21:02

Accidental deaths like these are often ruled as SIDS or Like Prestons Sudden unexplained death syndrome.

Because despite the death scene being investigated and the fact the baby was pressed up againgst the bumper or found with it wrapped around the neck.
unless the coroner can prove through tissue samples and blood that the co2 levels where high and or there was tissue damage to the trachea cutting off oxygen they have nothing concrete.
Preston had an abrasion mark on his neck enough to restrict oxygen and cause a rise in co2 cause central nervous shut down until breathing ceased. But not at a dangerously high abnormal level for toxicology to prove that as the cause. So sudden unexplained death syndrome was the ruling.

Ds was always getting his arms stuck in his bars and used a bumper I'd been given until health visitor visited and told me they were not recommended. I whippped it off there and then. There are a lot of things made for babies: bumpers, baby pillows, baby duvets, walkers etc which parents sometimes get without thinking. I would not use any of these.

dontriskit Thu 01-May-14 13:00:01

The bumper was not attached a second time!
Preston was found dead with the bumper wrapped around his neck twice.
The ties were still knotted tightly on the cot.

The bumper now completely seperated from the ties
became a long strip of fabric that twisted like a rope.

The ties were on the cot so tight that they had to be cut off to remove them. Not at the time of death but when mummy and daddy were clearing out the cot days later.

The bumper was tied correctly and so tight infact that when he got caught in it ripped the ties off.

If you read before your mouth got into gear you would have seen its been repeated several times.

Damnautocorrect Thu 01-May-14 10:56:52

My ds wouldn't sleep without cot bumpers. I was aware of the risks but made the decision and took precautions.

wheresthelight Thu 01-May-14 10:50:54

Another one person = lots of people sweeping statement!!

Argos sell them but I genuinely don't see that they are any safer. They are a mesh that lines 4 sides of the cot about a third of the way upbthe bars. They still pose the same risk that People are bleating on about on here if they are not checked daily

gotnotimeforthat Thu 01-May-14 10:16:15

I will be looking into those airwrap bumpers, i've never actually seen one but they sound like quite a good investment. does anyone know where they are sold?

gotnotimeforthat Thu 01-May-14 10:14:23

wheresthelight i think they are referring to one woman that said that earlier in the thread.

I will continue to use my bumper until i see it as a real danger, at the moment it poses no risk.

I'm genuinly shocked that instead of educating people on the dangers and teaching ways how to dramatically lower that risk everyone just opts for 'banning' instead. How very lazy.

you wouldn't see a petition trying to ban motor vehicles because some people are not as careful when driving as others... No you try to correct the issues. bring in speed limits add airbags and a chasis made to crumble on impact. you make changes to make it more safe. why should this be any different? to many a cot bumper is useless and nothing more than decoration. for me its stops my baby hitting his head on the rails and get his little arms trapped in the bars.

wheresthelight Thu 01-May-14 10:02:02

People haven't said they use them because they are pretty! We have said they serve to protect against what for us is a bigger risk against harm from the cot bars themselves

MiaowTheCat Thu 01-May-14 08:34:03

Won't sign a petition - any I would have done I won't now because of dontriskit's absolute hysterical, ridiculously emotionally blackmailing, spam.

eskinosekiss Thu 01-May-14 08:33:52

I have to say, I am a bit shocked at the posters on here who say they have bumpers, and will continue to use bumpers because they 'look pretty'

wiltingfast Thu 01-May-14 07:37:42

Bottom line is, if the bumper wasn't there that 9 month old child would still be alive.

No vigilence or checking required if bumper is not there.

No risk from bumper if it is not there.

This was a 9month old, not a newborn. If a bumper poses a risk to a 9m old why the hell use it?

So yes, ban the damn things I say. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves...

gotnotimeforthat Thu 01-May-14 03:22:44

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Monty27 Thu 01-May-14 01:54:16

It was SUDS not SIDS

Dontlaugh Thu 01-May-14 00:39:52

SIDS did not kill the baby in the OP. Strangulation on a cot bumper did.
They are 2 separate issues, why is SIDS entering the fray?
Cot bumpers for under 1's are dangerous, lethal and unnecessary. This has been verified, recommended and is now common practice.
I absolutely cannot see any argument against this.
It's a bit of a flat earth argument, tbh.

WHY would anyone put a cot bumper on their infant's cot, in light of cold hard facts suggesting it may kill them?
Because it matches the curtains?

LettertoHermioneGranger Thu 01-May-14 00:38:11

They're not banned in the US, but they're strictly against guidelines. I think they even come with warnings if you buy them. There's no use for them, and they're a risk. I would be happy if they were banned. They are just tat for new parents to spend money on to make the nursery look naice.

Like as been said: safer for a baby to bump their head than suffocate. Better sticking his arms through than suffocating. As little bedding as possible. If you're not meant to put a stuffed toy in, why is it ok to put plump pillowy things all around?

So yes, YABU.

Dontlaugh Thu 01-May-14 00:28:06

YABU,
use an Airwrap. Airwrap
Bumpers kills babies, that is not an opinion, it is a fact.
How could anyone dispute a fact?

Handsoff7 Thu 01-May-14 00:22:20

OP the data on car deaths I mentioned comes from the office of national statistics www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/dr-table5-2012.xls

Look at 5.19 external causes, v01-99. In the under 1 group l there were no deaths as a result of traffic accidents. I found this data reassured me about a lot of things I was worried about.

As bumpers kill more babies than cars and I'm in favour of car seats being compulsory, I think banning the sale of this product makes sense

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