josie cunningham.

(435 Posts)
CunningAtBothEnds Sun 20-Apr-14 12:56:28

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 20-Apr-14 13:49:03

Technically, two doctors need to agree on the mother's Wellbeing being at risk.

The mother not wanting the child and FS's information about her may well mean this hurdle is passed.

"This sort of late abortion is not available on demand "

It's not available everywhere but within the legal definitions I think it is just as "available" as an earlier abortion ie no greater "test" to pass. IIRC, over 90% of abortions are pre 12 weeks.

I think many post-12 weeks are to teenagers who perhaps realise later.

If her DH had left her and she felt unable to continue a third pregnancy on that basis, what would your thoughts be?

Mercatel Sun 20-Apr-14 13:49:50

Oh dear. It does sound like some desperate, misguided attempt at becoming infamous.

Sallyingforth Sun 20-Apr-14 13:58:40

When I read posts on MN from the many women desperate for children and not getting pregnant, it makes me so angry that women like this can get carelessly pregnant and then carelessly aborting.

Her other children would be far better off with more deserving and more responsible mothers.

2blackcats2 Sun 20-Apr-14 14:01:14

Not everyone realises what a late abortion entails.

And what other women would like is beside the point - that's like the silly argument our mothers gave us when we were full up about some people being starving. A baby is not always a welcome addition to someone's life.

She is obviously not a well woman and I don't condone her actions but I have been in her shoes, though several weeks earlier thank god, and it isn't an easy decision.

ddubsgirl77 Sun 20-Apr-14 14:03:28

no not easy but to publicly post scan pics pose with bump and then get rid? put bby up for adoption if reallly not wanted and seek some mental health help

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 20-Apr-14 14:05:52

"put bby up for adoption if reallly not wanted and seek some mental health help"

IIRC, mental health outcomes for those carrying to term when they do not want to are worse than for those having an abortion, even if the child is subsequently adopted.

2blackcats2 Sun 20-Apr-14 14:08:19

Do people really think it's as simple as putting up a baby for adoption, then walking out of the door and simpering "I need some mental health support now, please."

I was severely irrational in early pregnancy: alone, very scared, vomiting almost constantly and paranoid.

I really feel for her. As I've said I don't condone her actions but having been in a similar situation myself, I imagine she isn't rational in the slightest, I know I wasn't. I hope she's got her mum or a sister to help her.

NeedsAsockamnesty Sun 20-Apr-14 14:08:21

This thread and the vast majority of comments on it are despicable.

Not one of you get to decide what a good reason to have an abortion is if someone else's body is involved.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 20-Apr-14 14:11:36

If you are fine with other women having an abortion for whatever reason that a baby isnt right for them at this time then why is she any different? A baby isnt right for her at this time so she is choosing not to have one. Women do it everyday. I would question how 'fine' you are about the other women who do it if this is so appalling to you.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 20-Apr-14 14:12:19

I agree needs

Dawndonnaagain Sun 20-Apr-14 14:13:00

No dental implants on the nhs.
She is very obviously not well, and we DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to comment on this.

2blackcats2 Sun 20-Apr-14 14:13:37

They aren't "fine" - we should all put the bby up for adoption and then seek mental health care hmm

Mercatel Sun 20-Apr-14 14:14:41

Sockamnesty. I'm staunchly pro choice. But the OP states that the person was choosing late abortion in order to appear on Big Brother and to further her career. That doesn't sit well with me, but perhaps I'm just odd...

EatShitDerek Sun 20-Apr-14 14:15:36

Don't feel sorry for her. I live nearby her and she is intact as real as the stories.

She will do anything for her 5 minutes of fame.

Mercatel Sun 20-Apr-14 14:15:45

Though I thought Big Brother had long disappeared off our screens! Alas

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 20-Apr-14 14:16:59

"Sockamnesty. I'm staunchly pro choice. But the OP states that the person was choosing late abortion in order to appear on Big Brother and to further her career. That doesn't sit well with me, but perhaps I'm just odd..."

Furthering career/protecting career prospects is a very common reason for abortion.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 20-Apr-14 14:17:02

"If you are fine with other women having an abortion for whatever reason that a baby isnt right for them at this time then why is she any different? "

^^ this.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 20-Apr-14 14:17:53

If I got pregnant now, career would certainly be one of the major factors in my decision to progress or not.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 20-Apr-14 14:18:17

Same here doctrine

differentnameforthis Sun 20-Apr-14 14:18:40

There is another thread running about this & I have taken this from there as I agree wholeheartedly

Either we support a woman's right to autonomy over her own body and her own reproductive organs, or we don't. We don't get to pick and choose.

I support what ever choice she makes. Because I am lucky enough to love in a country that afforded me that choice too (although not as far advanced as she is) & I know only too well how devastated & scared I was.

This is a girl who has had a breast enlargement to become a glamour model. She also had those enlargements removed, iirc.

She is 23 & has had plastic surgery & doesn't really look very good.
She is considering a termination to be on TV, on a show that no one really cares about any more. She sounds immature & naive at best.

With her pink range rover talk & fame in a year, she sounds like a very dysfunctional Katie whatsherface (afka Jordan) wannabe.

She is lurching from one thing to another trying to find (approval?) something that has been missing her whole life.

Poor lass!

And yes, op, it is legal for her to terminate at this stage. Her reasons are not for us to judge!

LeftyLoony Sun 20-Apr-14 14:19:04

This individual is the real life embodiment of trolling. If the media didn't give it the oxygen if publicity it wouldn't exist in our consciousness. The media give it the oxygen of publicity because we talk about it.

FreudiansSlipper Sun 20-Apr-14 14:19:48

I am pro choice

But being pro choice is about the women making that decision no one is asking you to be comfortable with her reasoning for why she is making that choice but taking that away is far more harmful for our society

This is a woman who is not able to deal with her reality this is the issue here and what support is she getting well it seems many would rather drag her down further

ddubsgirl77 Sun 20-Apr-14 14:19:50

she clearly needs help to abort a baby at 19+ weeks so she can be famous is not normal! really! she needs help boasting she had dental work because its free while shes pregnant angry anybother person in this situation would have valid reasons or serious medical reasons not because its going to stop them from being on a fucking tv show!!! she wants to buy her kids nice toys etc yes fair enough but not shagging footballers etc and getting pregnant and then doing this to get money!

NeedsAsockamnesty Sun 20-Apr-14 14:20:07

It does not matter if you are comfortable with the choice she makes for her body

Mercatel Sun 20-Apr-14 14:20:27

Appearing (or attempting to appear) on Big Brother is a career, Sillybilly?

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