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AIBU?

to tell DC's school one of their staff has DV convictions?

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onemorenamechanger · 04/04/2014 13:07

The convictions happened after they started working there, this person doesn't have contact with children. I have never even met this person and found out about this by complete fluke last night. The school may already know and be happy for him to continue to work there but should I mention it to the Head anyway? If the school didn't know already would he lose his job? I was going to ask to see the Head at drop off this morning then changed my mind but I'm starting to think I should say something. Any advice gratefully received please!

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StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2014 13:09

How do you know abot this?
I wonder how the school doesn't know

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 04/04/2014 13:10

If you are confident that you are correct then yes I think you should tell the Head. What is his role in the school?

TruffleOil · 04/04/2014 13:13

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd proceed with extreme caution.

Imnotmadeofeyes · 04/04/2014 13:13

Well it's stated quite widely checks are only valid the day they're issued for this reason, I would presume that the school would have a policy of getting new ones for long term employees periodically perhaps

I think you're entitled to raise it with the HT if you're concerned, but there is a chance they're already aware and have considered the circumstances and decided he's still ok for the role he's currently in.

TheHouseCleaner · 04/04/2014 13:13

Yes, absolutely.

If the school know already there's nothing lost. If they don't they should do and I would be wanting to know why they didn't (and removing my child from their low level of 'care').

If it results in the employee losing his job - tough. Maybe he should have thought of that before he committed a violent assault upon his wife.

x2boys · 04/04/2014 13:20

Driving convictions or domestic violence? My sil ex was arrested following a drunken argument with her that led to violence he was charged with actual bodily harm and got a caution she did nt want him to be charged anyway the upshot was he did not tell work he was a nurse six months later the police phone hr to inform them as they felt he was dangerous he was! And he was suspended and ultimately dismissed.

Needaninsight · 04/04/2014 13:20

So you want him to lose his job basically? Would you report if he worked, in say, retail? He doesn't have contact with the children you say..Presume he's spent his conviction? Is your child, or any child, in danger?

I don't know. Difficult to know what to do. Are you sure? Could it just be gossip? What role does he have in the school? (caretaker?)

EvaBeaversProtege · 04/04/2014 13:24

Did the courts not punish him for his crime?

littlewhitebag · 04/04/2014 13:25

I would keep right out of it. You risk sounding like a gossip.

If he has no contact with children then i don't see what the issue is. Do you know all the details of his conviction? More to the point, how do you know these details? Would you be passing on completely accurate information?

Proceed with caution i would say.

onemorenamechanger · 04/04/2014 13:27

The convictions are very recent so wouldn't have shown up on the DBS, he's a cleaner so he may not have had to take time off work for the court appearances so the school wouldn't necessarily be aware he was given a suspended sentence unless he told them? I don't think he's a danger to my DC's so I'm not comfortable with him losing his job, except if he has lied by omission then he's not a very trustworthy employee anyway. Aargh I still can't decide!

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StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2014 13:28

Needaninsight it's happened since he worked there
and yes damn right I'd want him to lose his job
Unless it happened during the summer holiday I can't imagine his employers not realising he needed time off to deal with all the proceedings. Plus do the police not notify employers routinely, but certinaly if they work in a school?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 04/04/2014 13:28

If this person doesn't have contact with the children can I ask why woulld you want to mention it to the school?

Presumable if he has convictions then he has been dealt with legally - maybe he is now trying to get his life sorted.

Is this fact anyway or just gossip?

StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2014 13:28

x post
If they police don't do this then it's a gaping hole

Onlyconnect · 04/04/2014 13:29

It all depends how much you now and how certain you are. If you're certain and it is something that means he is likely to be a threat to others then you could consider saying something. Having been a victim of DV I know that perpetrators are often no threat at all to anyone else and I also don't think it helps their victims if other areas of the perpetrator's lives are made difficult.

ChaffinchOfDoom · 04/04/2014 13:29

how can you work in a school with no contact with children? even cleaners /caretakers are on premises at same time as kids?

how do you know for sure - someone could've made it up?

agree caution

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 04/04/2014 13:29

He's a cleaner - leave him alone! You don't know the circumstances, you don't know that he hasn't already made the school aware and he isn't in contact with the kids anyway.

I really don't get why you would want to meddle in this and potentially cause a stranger a whole load of grief.

Finola1step · 04/04/2014 13:30

This depends entirely how sure you are of your facts. This type of thing, if you are wrong, can ruin people.

Working in a school, he does need to have regular DBS checks but he may be in between checks. He may well have informed his employer who may deem that as he has no direct contact with children, then he is not in breach of his contract. Us a pp has said, proceed with extreme caution.

littlewhitebag · 04/04/2014 13:30

I really wouldn't bother reporting a cleaner. I am certain many people who work in schools have convictions, including the teachers. If it's DV then he is not a schedule 1 offender and is therefore not deemed a risk to children.

feathermucker · 04/04/2014 13:30

What level are the convictions and how sure are you of the accuracy of what you have heard?

If he has no contact with children, im not sure how seriously they will take it tbh......or, indeed, if it is relevant.

StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2014 13:30

Ian Huntley was a caretaker wasn't he

WorraLiberty · 04/04/2014 13:31

Why would you want to tell them?

You'll sound like a gossip and to be honest, if it doesn't affect his cleaning I doubt the school will be interested.

littlewhitebag · 04/04/2014 13:32

If the police went round employers notifying of every conviction they would never have time to do anything else. They would only make disclosures to schools if they knew a person with a schedule 1 offence was working there.

Onlyconnect · 04/04/2014 13:32

Why do you want to report him? Is it because you think he's a threat? If its just a general "think they should know" thing, I wouldn't.

onemorenamechanger · 04/04/2014 13:33

I'm not a very good gossip Worra as I haven't mentioned this to anybody else in RL.

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Finola1step · 04/04/2014 13:33

X post. He's a cleaner so probably doesn't work for the school. Most schools contract out their cleaning so he will most likely be employed by a private company.

The thing is, how do you know? If you share this information, could you be making things awkward for the person who told you?

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