to wonder whether those who object to the deportation...

(99 Posts)
dolphinsandwhales Sun 30-Mar-14 19:04:52

of the 19 year old who claimed asylum from dv after overstaying a tourist visa would like to extend asylum offers to all victims of dv worldwide who live in safe countries?

The case seems ridiculous to me, asylum should be granted to those in genuine cases of persecution etc, Mauritius is not a country that persecutes those in fear of dv. I wonder whether the teachers involved in trying to prevent the deportation would mind losing some pension to pay for all the increased asylum seekers who are fleeing safe countries?

HairyGrotter Sun 30-Mar-14 19:08:44

Are you a Christian? winkbiscuit

JeanSeberg Sun 30-Mar-14 19:08:59

How did we come to this

NurseyWursey Sun 30-Mar-14 19:32:31

I think the OP has a point, I'm not sure why people are dismissing it.

Except the last line as it's irrelevant.

The country has been notified of the fact that a student girl is facing deportation, her excuse for asylum is because of DV.

Everyone is up in arms because she's young, a student, we've seen a photo etc. People are petitioning etc.

So one would assume, that people think we should grant asylum to everyone who is a victim of DV. Or are they simply falling in the 'sob story' trap. Not that I want to belittle experience at all, but if her reason for asylum is DV, surely everything else is irrelevant.

JeanSeberg Sun 30-Mar-14 19:35:16

So where will it end?

NurseyWursey Sun 30-Mar-14 19:37:26

You could ask that question either way.

Her place of origin is not a place that one would automatically need to flee.

Do we simply start granting asylum to any victims of violence if that's the case?

PrincessOfChina Sun 30-Mar-14 19:38:53

I think she should be allowed to complete her A Levels. We usually treat those in full time education as dependants of their parents (this is even true when applying for student loans).

After that, I agree that she should be subject to the usual laws and procedures for living in this country.

ICanSeeTheSun Sun 30-Mar-14 19:40:53

But there is support for DV in India.

www.gulabigang.in/

Splitting up a family in this way is cruel and wrong. Poor girl. Borders Agency does have form for picking on the weakest targets, while the courts stop us from deporting serious criminals.

HandragsNGladbags Sun 30-Mar-14 19:50:12

Is she not here with her family? So she will be deported back into a dangerous situation in a different country alone?

BruthasTortoise Sun 30-Mar-14 19:52:04

I think that, as we as a nation treat young people in FT education education, as dependants of the family then this young woman should be treated the same so she should be deported until she has finished her education or until the decision is made to deport the entire family.

runnerBeanee Sun 30-Mar-14 20:39:22

I think the decision has been made to deport the rest of the familytoo. And rightly so, it would seem.

HauntedNoddyCar Sun 30-Mar-14 20:51:03

From the other thread yesterday it seems her mother left her in Mauritius for a couple of years so presumably she could go back to whoever she was with then.

The legalities of asylum aren't always straightforward. There's a convention which applies and the provisions of this have been found not to apply. There are many people in desperately sad situations who just don't qualify for asylum. There are people who don't qualify but who the UK is unwilling to send back to certain regimes or who apply under human rights legislation. But lines have to be drawn somewhere. If we have a free for all then very quickly it will provoke a backlash of UKIP style politics and the doors closed completely.

I daresay that she's a nice girl and we can all feel some personal sympathy for her but the rules apply.

I think we should be asking why quite a few immigrants who commit crimes aren't deported, yet we're quite happy to deport a 19 year old girl trying to finish her A-Levels. It makes me wonder quite what type of people the government actually want in this country. Criminal or scholar? hmm

Freyalright Sun 30-Mar-14 20:54:08

She has failed to seek asylum. She has breached the rules of her visa. She has to go. There are many other countries she can try to seek asylum in. It's not the border agency's problem that her mother will abandon her, instead of all being deported as a family.

PeazlyPops Sun 30-Mar-14 21:38:01

Mauritius is a tiny country, she could hardly avoid the perpetrator!

Also Mauritius is a long way from India, so she would struggle to access Indian DV support!

Why can't we also take into account the person's possible contribution to this country alongside reasons for asylum.

So convicted criminal - no thanks. Committed student with glowing references - yes, we'd be privileged.

puntasticusername Sun 30-Mar-14 22:21:48

Jean are you just randomly quoting lines from Take That songs? Are you?

PooroldJumbo Mon 31-Mar-14 00:26:47

Sauce do you honestly think that we should use exam results as a relevant factor in assessing people's asylum claims?

Person A is 50 years old, illiterate, can't speak English and seeking asylum because of DV.
Person B is 19, good at maths, fluent in English and seeking asylum because of DV.

Person B stays because they are thinking about becoming a teacher. Person A is abandoned to their fate.

We can't start making exceptions because we like a particular asylum seeker.

caruthers Mon 31-Mar-14 01:27:48

The law will speak and it looks like it's made the correct decision.

4 failed asylum seekers will be sent home not just the one.

C3P0 Mon 31-Mar-14 01:39:38

Point is that once settled in the UK, and making a contribution to the UK, anyone who's here legally should be treated with sensitivity to their circumstances. Chucking people out halfway through their studies is ridiculous.

The country is full of illegal immigrants, many of whom are complete rascals. Why make it hard for the kind of people we actually want in the country?

Nennypops Mon 31-Mar-14 01:45:36

Quite shock at the number of people happy to send a young girl back to a situation where she faces violence on her own, just because it's not apparently politically-motivated violence.

BOFtastic Mon 31-Mar-14 01:50:38

Have some fucking compassion, for God's sake!

BOFtastic Mon 31-Mar-14 01:56:01

This is based on a real case that I was involved with, in that I knew the family and how wonderful an asset they were to the school community. Everybody should read it to their children, especially if they don't want their kids growing up as ignorant and unfeeling as some of the adults who post on mumsnet and in the Daily Mail.

MidniteScribbler Mon 31-Mar-14 02:00:16

Committed student with glowing references - yes, we'd be privileged.

If she had applied for a student visa then she would not be facing this situation. She entered the country illegally and therefore ruined her chances for obtaining a legitimate visa.

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