To have not allowed dd to do her homework(49 Posts)
I would have told her to leave it - 10pm is sleeping time when you are 11.
And the next morning I would have talked to her about not doing when she was supposed to - and why lying about it didn't help her. And having a huff didn't help either.
If she had time to do it in the morning then she could do it then, otherwise she would have to explain to the teacher that she hadn't done it.
One of life's lessons.
I guess I don't understand why burning the candle in morning (get up early to do it) is better than burning the candle in the evening (stay up late).
As things were, because it wasn't done, she may have had trouble sleeping, so she would have ended up burning the candle at both ends anyway to get it done.
I would have let her do it at night.
YANBU. I have done exactly the same as you, in similar circumstances.
The thing is at 11 I don't think being tired is really any form of punishment is it? DS is 9 and is "never tired" He is miserable, naggy, lacks concentration, loses all drive and enthusiasm but is categorically not tired
So it is his family, peers and teachers who suffer from his tiredness while, in the OPs situation, he is not in trouble for not completing his homework. I would have done exactly what you did OP. YANBU
I would have let her do it. Maybe it suits her to do it then? Maybe it doesn't, she will soon find out won't she? I think that was an argument that didn't need to happen.
Oh I agree that it's not a good thing to always be doing-especially if it takes longer than you thought it would!
I know it's also coloured by the lying & now the minecraft, but what I wasn't sure of from OP was if she knew that she would be out Saturday & most of Sunday beforehand so that realistically friday eve was her only opportunity iyswim.
Although she hadn't remembered at all Sun eve by the sounds of things & they were probably back in time Sunday fpr her to do it.
I suppose it's whether you have the personality of a procrastinator or not For me I have an urge to do everything at the last possible minute so if I have the option of doing something the night before, I will always do it the night before. The only way for me to deal with this is to convince myself that it's really not an option to do something the night before and I need to have it completed by X time (before the actual deadline) for some reason or other - and I can't invent a reason because my brain doesn't work like that, it has to be an actual reason.
Realistically staying up all night is not a good way of dealing with a problem, the solution is to manage your time better and get it started earlier. It's not like she's going to not know that it's an option, but I would be doing my damndest to discourage it from being a valid one (but that might be because I struggle so much with it myself).
I too would have allowed her to stay up late to finish if it were totally out of character for her to procrastinate.
"She couldnt be arsed, she played minecraft instead."
Ah, missed that in the OP, sorry!
Well in that case I would have sent her to bed & told her she could get up early she wanted to to do it.
Glad to see that you're not usually doing her bag when she's nearly at secondary!
"Letting her stay up at night to finish it just reinforces that that's a good way of dealing with it
I disagree-I think that it shows it's an option & for me it would be a limited one-maybe once or twice & that's it!
I think you were right. Letting her stay up at night to finish it just reinforces that that's a good way of dealing with it. It isn't and I used to do this constantly - it's not good for your health, the quality of the work is nowhere near as good as it could be if you're not rushing and/or tired, and also (IME!) being tired isn't much of a deterrent because for me the elation of getting it finished overrides the tiredness and I get a sort of weird thrill from being up so late because I'm so stupid as to leave it until the last minute. Not helpful.
It is far more helpful to her in the future if you help her set up habits of good planning and organisation, which hopefully this will.
I can see the benefit of the other suggested punishment (doing it at 10pm and being tired) but I think that takes the punishment away from school.
Children need to learn that they are accountable in other settings and not just at home with their parents. School/education/work should be seen as an authority with a set of rules and there are consequences for behaviour in each.
That means the child learning to take responsibility.
You did the right thing OP.
You are being perfectly reasonable.
DD2 would just of got up early and done it this morning.
(DD1 would have been allowed to do it at 11pm, but DD1 was a complete night owl and it wasn't worth the fight)
Agree. 10pm Sunday night isn't the time. And she did have an opportunity to put it right. She could have got up 30-60 mins early this morning and done it then.
My DD's also in yr 6 and I've also refused to let her do it at that time. She wouldn't be able to do in properly anyway as she'd be too stressed to think clearly. YANBU
I would have done the exact same as you. The pain inflicted by the teacher is greater than the tiredness. Good on you.
Well tonight there will be no minecraft for her.
I know minecraft is addictive as I play it myself, but lying to you to play a computer game is not on.
I'm with you OP, as the parent of a serial homework avoider, I think you done good. Let her explain it to her teacher.
OP, were you getting her bag ready & checking if homework was done?
If so, why?
She should be doing it.
And preferably before 10pm on a Sunday!
The problem (for me) is that having discovered the homework wasn't done, she wasn't given a chance to fix it.
Would she have lied to keep you from insisting she finished her homework at that point?
Maybe she fully intended to finish it but Monday came round too quick. Could she have finished it at 10pm. I think I'd have said half an hour and then finish it early in the morning.
"Then she shouldnt have lied should she? How can she be tired and needing a break after completing 2 questions?"
No, she shouldn't have lied.
Equally she's 11, so OP shouldn't have needed to keep reminding her even if she hadn't lied.
She'd been at school all day, it was Fri evening, maybe she fancied a break from school work?
Or maybe she just cba, let's just condemn the poor kid!
I spoke to school about homework (at the time ds1 would scream and shout about even the thought of getting it out of his bag) and all of his teachers have said "ask him to sit down and do it, remind him once and then if he doesn't do it, let him face the consequences in school (missed break). Don't get involved in arguing, just be matter of fact, he will learn to take responsibility" They were right, he did! I'm still around (at the table or preparing tea) if they need help or want to talk about what they have to do but it has made dc realise that it's their homework not mine.
I don't think natural consequences of 'being tired' teaches anything. I always left my homework until the last minute (e.g during registration) and I never learnt even when I (frequently) got myself up at 6.30am to start English gcse essays. As I always got top marks I also never had any consequences in terms of results. I wish my parents had tried to get me into a routine of doing homework straight away at an early age.
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