To think etiquette should be taught at school?

(113 Posts)
Pedantichag Tue 18-Mar-14 20:15:38

What has happened to basic manners? Hmmmmm? Anyone have any idea where they've gone? Most people I've encountered recently seem to have lost theirs.

DioneTheDiabolist Wed 19-Mar-14 22:22:25

I have never been taught good manners. They were modeled in the home and school and therefore are 2nd nature now.

Etiquette is slightly different. My grandfather and one of my teachers in PS taught me how to address bishops, en titled etc. While I can excuse lapses in etiquette, I judge the parents of those (under 25) who have poor manners. I am sometimes appalled at the lack of basic manners on MN.

missymarmite Wed 19-Mar-14 22:25:02

OP, when you say 'etiquette', what do you mean, exactly? Should teachers be responsible for teaching the difference between a dessert fork and a main meal fork? Should they teach deportment and proper pronunciation? Or are you referring to something else?

Pedantichag Wed 19-Mar-14 22:37:47

Etiquette is a bit broader than spoons and forks.

I must admit though teaching correct posture can't be bad for one can it wink

whatshallwedo Thu 20-Mar-14 07:19:23

What happens when the teachers themselves have no manners?

I was in a gift shop yesterday at the same time as a group of school children on a trip.

We queued up at the till behind some of the children who were waiting to pay. There were 4 children still looking about and when they had chosen their items one little boy queued behind us whilst the teacher told the 3 girls to stand in front of us!

I have to say that on this occasion I didn't say anything directly as it would have come out badly due to the day I was having (exdp, dd's birthday, spending the day together anyone?)

I also realise this wasn't the children's fault but how can they be expected to understand how to queue and wait their turn in future if it isn't being demonstrated by their teacher?

SweepTheHalls Thu 20-Mar-14 07:25:51

After school clubs are about good will , that is rapidly being eroded by Gove.

lainiekazan Thu 20-Mar-14 09:27:44

Unfortunately some people who kids look up to display appalling manners. Spitting is disgusting yet there on our screens are footballers gobbing and shooting snot out of their nostrils. If I were the ref I'd send a player off for this!

Goblinchild Thu 20-Mar-14 09:43:08

Could have been a TA, Whatshallwedo.
Or a parent helper?
Did the shop assistant not say 'I'll just serve this lady as she was first?'
Although granted, on a trip you are so busy frantically counting and checking that your focus narrows.

Goblinchild Thu 20-Mar-14 09:46:06

Clubs used to be about good will, but they also became a matter of pressure from the SLT to ensure that in a good/outstanding school, everyone who wasn't an NQT ran at least one club, or ran jointly.
You got a serious frowning and pointed comments if you didn't round my neck of the woods.

wonderingsoul Thu 20-Mar-14 09:58:14

schools allready do dont they? just not in a lesson way..

they incourage good behaviour.. notice when some one is kind and remark on it.. they talk about sharing.. they dont let children call out.. they teach to be kind to each other... they pull children up on their behaviour.. at school they even do sorry letters.. where if one child has been mean they lose x amount of play time and have to do a letter to the other child..

im not sure what else you want?

the fault lays with the parents who dont reinforce it at home.

Pedantichag Thu 20-Mar-14 10:01:21

Wonderingsoul

This is not the case in some schools I'm afraid.

As for asking, 'what more do I want?'...ohhhh the list is endless! grin

wonderingsoul Thu 20-Mar-14 10:08:11

in which case the school should be closed down really..

i cant see how they dont teach at least some basic manners.. otherwise the school would be over run with children doing what they like and hurting eachother?

granted some schools do it better.. and i have to admit.. the school my db's are at are very hot on kind, polite, behaviour, and do alot to encourage and praise it.. along with being very strict on what they wont accept. .. prehasp i am being blinded my own expearance.. but i cant belive there is one school that doesnt teach/model good behaviour in some way.

Pedantichag Thu 20-Mar-14 10:18:36

'Believe it baby'.

I can recount some horrific stories actually and yes the children are running rampant hence one school being stripped of it's 'excellent' rating.
Primary school children hitting and punching each other and the staff ignoring it. Yes, true story, scouts honour. Oh and this is a primary school, the incidents at a local secondary school though really do take it to another level altogether.

whatshallwedo Thu 20-Mar-14 16:42:02

Goblinchild no the assistant was busy serving the children who were already in front of us.

They could've been a TA or parent but it doesn't take studying at uni to be able to promote good manners. The children were told to go in front of us except for the little boy who chose to wait behind us.

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