Food Wars(58 Posts)
I have a fantastic childminder (+ assistants) who do an amazing job of looking after my DS. I’m always impressed by all the activities and learning they do and know that he is in safe hands, but there is one thing that has become a bit of an issue… food.
I’m vegetarian (he’s 90% veggie as my husband isn’t) and to me making sure he eats a healthy diet is just as important as anything else. So I have been making him breakfast, lunch and dinner which he takes along with him.
I know that they would prefer if he ate the same as the other children, but at the risk of sounding like a food snob (honestly I’m not!) I don’t think that they give them particularly healthy options. When I pick him up I see the other kids eating a lot of red meat, star shaped potato things, chocolate, you get the picture….
I'm not saying that they never prepare healthy meals but I also see a lot of processed 'kiddie' food. The other thing I have noticed is that if the kids don’t want to eat vegetables or salad with their meal then they aren’t made to. I’m lucky that at the moment he absolutely loves vegetables, has a great appetite and eats whatever I give him, but I would be concerned if he follows their eating habits that he would then become fussy too.
I’ve had lots of awkward conversations with them about food before but one of the assistants keeps dropping in comments about him not eating his food properly as he is looking at what the other children are eating and wanting the same. The last thing that I want is for him to grow up feeling different but even more so I don’t want him growing up eating what they do!
I don’t feel like I am draconian, I don’t mind when he is older (he's only 10 months) if he has sweets/cakes/crisps at birthday parties or the odd Maccy D’s as a treat I just don’t want these foods being a regular part of his diet.
I feel like I have made my position on it clear and I’m finding it frustrating that they are still bringing up the topic. I would never offend them by telling them I don’t think the food they give the other children is healthy but being tactful obviously isn’t working either.
In all other ways they are fabulous and I am really lucky to have got a space with them so I don’t want to upset anyone.
Am I being unreasonable expecting them to give him something different? As I am providing the food myself I don’t think so, but would welcome your thoughts….
And how do I approach the situation without offending anyone???
So how do I approach the conversation without offending anyone?
'Hi, I've given some more thought to the food issues, and I really would like you to continue serving the food I prepare to DS. If we get to a point where he's refusing to eat it, then we can discuss again, but at the moment, as long as he's eating the food, I prefer to stick to what we're doing.'
Get a nanny or find another childminder where everybody brings their own food or a nursery serving organic healthy meals. Your poor child is going to suffer more by not eating what the others eat than by having an odd sausage. The same will happen eat school what will you do then, a packed lunch I presume, childrens parties?
You are telling the childminder her food isn't good enough for your child, most people would be offended.
Your son has breakfast, lunch AND dinner there?
I think there's two issues here. I totally agree with previous posters that you can't make a child eat. And the more pressure you put on, the more likely it is to become an issue. All you can do is offer healthy food, and let them decide how much or how little they eat. I try to avoid saying anything at all at mealtimes, and it's hard! But the second issue is healthy food. I have to agree that processed meat and potato shapes is not very healthy! I wouldn't really want mine eating that very often ( I'm veggie too, for the record) I would hope that the childminder is offering a healthy, balanced diet. You do mention some fruit and veg, so the children are obviously given some good food, but I'd worry about how much. If the processed stuff is just very occasional, then fine, I wouldn't make an issue of it. If it's several times a week, I would! Also your son is 10 months. I would have thought he'd just concentrate on his own food at that age. Obviously he'll watch the older ones eat, but I can't see that he can reason enough yet to question the fairness of it all! And no 10 month old needs chocolate in my view! I've got a bit less strict over sugar and stuff as mine get older. Once they're going to parties etc you're fighting a losing battle! But babies really don't need too much sugar and salt, so I would be a bit concerned.
OP I agree with your views on food. Except for the veggie part!
ime these conversations about differences in what is seen as acceptable foods do offend. There is judgment going on in both directions.
Yes you are the client but the CMs are hinting - broadly- that they see the separate food as unreasonable.
InSpaceNoOneCanHearYouScream: Yes - He has breakfast when he is dropped off at 9am, lunch at 12 and dinner at 3.30pm before I pick him up at 4.30pm. I'm one of many mums that unfortunately has to work to afford the mortgage. Trust me, if I had the choice I would be at home doing arts and crafts and whipping up healthy vegetarian meals. Instead I am doing my best juggling work with being the best mummy I can - a tough task!
SixLive - I'm hoping it won't come to that as they are absolutely fabulous in every other way but... if anyone has any recommendations in the Reading area I would love to hear from you.
Meerschweinchen - Unfortunately it's most days that they are eating processed stuff I'm happy for him to eat party food when he is older... at a party... just not as part of his regular diet.
Lookingthroughthefog - Thank you
Going to have to log off until tonight as unfortunately life (ie work) is interfering with my mumsnetting.
Thank you all for your comments though (whether I agree with them or not) it's always good to get another opinion!
my son does not like meat prefers veg really he is 14 months how do you get a child to eat meat anyway?
Veggie...I went to visit a preschool where I used to volunteer, and all the children had their own lunch boxes with wildly different food!!! Youngest was just 2 so not long to wait... Not one of the children 'looked' lovingly at what the others were eating. This is getting ridiculous. I have childminded a vegan who's mum supplied all food...(and requested that I closely supervise them when out...which I did...willingly) she was a bit older but when my kids showed an interest in her food, I told them it was xs food. She did want the (best quality) sausages my DCs had but again said Mum doesn't want you to eat meat....No fuss..no tantrums....You do not have to be a SAHM to want your DC to eat what you feel is important. He is your child and I would never have made an issue out of this.
Yes MaryLou it's a shame the CMs have made an issue of it and I know CM who wouldn't mind OP's approach at all.
I don't think you're being at all unreasonable.
It's ridiculous to suggest because you're not a SAHM, you can't make choices about your son's food whilst he is a baby, and when he is a toddler.
I agree with those who say, at 10 months, he is unlikely to be coveting someone else's sausages.
But yes, a compromise in the future could be to let him have one potato smiley or something with the food you prepare for him.
When my dc went to the childminder at 10 months he took food from home. For exactly the same reasons you describe. And I continued to do so until he was 2 I think. They probably gave him the odd fishfinger or chip but it wasn't his entire meal. But thankfully my childminder never made an issue out of it
Not sure why you think I'm having a go at working mums, I work too! My point is, 3 meals in 6 hours is strange. Why can't he have breakfast at home at 7.30 and dinner at home at 5?
Your son's diet is not a matter of health or religion
Why should ethical considerations be less important than religious food rules?
Firstly I think he could eat at home for at least one meal . Timing seems to allow for it or are you spending a lot if time travelling ?
You have every right to feed him your food . Surely that's a basic principal ?
We eat only organic and I would not like my children eating anything other than free range . We dont eat processed kiddie food ever .That's my choice and they are my kids.
As for him looking at the other kids meals , this will just be a phase and he will get used to it . Dd2 has serious allergies and at 10 mths the restrictions were no dairy nut wheat gluten egg soya seeds cocoa . She obviously had to get used to people around her eating different foods .
Stick to your principals .
If he's dropped off at 9 and picked up at 4.30, can't you give him breakfast and dinner at home?
I'm not vegetarian but I don't like processed foods either and so I can see your concern -- but I think you would find it easier to deal with if he was only having lunch and an afternoon snack there.
I do think you should start looking for another childminder. You're not necessarily being unreasonable, but I agree you're setting up a problem for down the road.
Apologies InSpace that's my own guilt about being a working mum coming through!
When he wakes up he doesn't want to eat straight away so it makes sense for him to have it there. I used to give him dinner when we got home but the CM asked if he could have it with the other children as he was watching them eat. Personally I would rather he just had a snack and then sits down and enjoys a meal with me at home but I agreed with their request and it does seem to work for him. I try and share a bit of fruit or avocado later on so we get to eat something together.
I'm not totally convinced that at 10 months old he is that aware/concerned that the other kids are eating something different, but maybe I am wrong....
The CM confided in me that when she was Ofsted inspected the only thing they pulled her up on was that some of the food options weren't that healthy. The difficult situation is that I think she is great in every other way and don't want to offend her, especially as I saw how personally she took the feedback from Ofsted, but from what I see I would tend to agree. tricky situation!
Lunchbreak is coming to end will log back on later!
That level of processed food would bother me too tbh.
No way would my ten month old have been allowed gammon or sausages due to salt content. And habits are soon learnt at that age what they are exposed to matters. They are too young to explain to that that's what they eat there and that's what u eat at home.
And yes I would want my dd encouraged to try. Not forced. Absolutely not forced but there are ways to encourage without making dinner a battle ground.
I think it's ok if you're paying for the service and they haven't said that it's against their policy to do it.
Like someone else said, it's likely that at some point your DC will become a bit more fussy or willful about food. When that happens, if you still have to have him somewhere where you don't like the food, maybe you could just provide one of the meals, or how about he gets to eat their food on Fridays as a treat/reward?
As for not offending anyone if you need to speak to them about it, IMHO we should all just try and be nice and straight forward and matter of fact in order for important information to be passed on clearly and so we don't drive ourselves crazy wondering if the message got through.
And I used to be pretty uptight about food I have relaxed a lot now but would still have issues with what is being provided.
Mn seems to be full of parents who's kids eat a tom of food so other people feeding them is a huge help a d they never struggle to have them eat again at home after large heals else where.
My dd on the other hand, it is very noticeable in her behaviour and appearance if her diet hasn't been great for a few days.
AIBU is full of threads where grandparents look after their dgc for free, and the op feels that the gp feed their dc too many treats/won't discipline them/has the tv on all day/won't stick to the dcs routine.
All replies are that as the care is free the op should suck it up, or pay someone so they can 'be in charge'.
Well you are paying op, and people are still saying yabu.
I don't think you are, keep sending in his meals and don't worry too much.
Could you send a snack for 3:30 though, and have dinner at home?
If he's dropped off at 9 and picked up at 4.30, can't you give him breakfast and dinner at home? Or at least breakfast?
Could you send a snack for 3:30 though, and have dinner at home? Good idea. Do all the other kids eat at 3.30pm? Seems very early for dinner.
Advice from NHS paediatricians and dieticians is never to "force" children to eat any food.
My daughter was quite fussy when she was young, but I never made an issue out of it, said "Just leave it" and allowed her to fill up on bread and butter if necessary (but nothing nicer than that). Now (8 years old) her repertoire is slowly but surely increasing every year.
Why not just find a different childminder who serves food you approve of?
I would ask them to just give him a snack at 3.30. That is really early for dinner anyway, seems a bit weird. If he's having something different anyway, surely doesn't matter if it's a proper dinner or some veggies for snacking? Then you can eat dinner together, which is nice.
I also doubt a 10 month old is THAT aware of what's going on food-wise.
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