To think the British youth of today is a bit lazy??

(180 Posts)
TwittyMcTwitterson Fri 07-Mar-14 06:24:46

Disclaimer: sweeping generalisation so obviously not true for all. Also, basing a lot of this on my friends and what they do.

I work in the office of a factory where I regularly go down to the factory floor. We have approx 95% Eastern European workers. They work shockingly hard and some of them are my friends who I love. There's a slight issue of communication but we have translators so not a problem.

We rarely get British people through our agency and when we do I always think 'brilliant, they'll be easy to tell what's what' rather than guessing, doing strange hand gestures, calling another person off their shift or google translate.

The problem is, they're no where near as nice as our current workers (the last pair felt the need to tell me they thought my DP was my son when he pulled up one day) and they work at snails pace. And run off screaming 'yay break time' at break. They also stand back doing nothing while regulars set up the shift. Though that may be a communication issue as the regulars aren't telling them what to grab from where as they can't. Basically, they are never called back.

Looking at my Polish friends, not one is unemployed or lazy. My English friends... They either work in some fancy role and work hard or Most popped a baby out not long after school and saw it as a means of staying at home. They feel they are entitled to benefits. They talk a good talk about wanting to work but when I ask how many jobs they've applied for I get excuse after excuse.

It's all very well saying British jobs for British people but I feel like younger people don't push themselves.

For the record I'm 26

Do we have less drive than our Eastern European counterparts???

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 23:35:46

'xenophobic' of course i am, and lazy.
I do understand your language pretty well, sometimes i wish i did not tbh

BazilGin Sat 08-Mar-14 22:31:36

Nigella, how can you know what they are talking about if you clearly don't understand the language? just saying, you seem to have a problem with Poles so no point discussing it further.
All I am saying is that the three words you have quoted earlier, I have never heard used in a racist rant nor can I imagine anyone doing so.
But then I am Polish, and a woman so according to your xenophobic statement I am probably just 'bitchy'...

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 22:02:26

Wombles, how the hell do u binge on jam??? I'm always interested in new ways to food binge. shock

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 21:45:28

hardly a 'discussion' and it was not a'one off' i can assure you, I have heard this type of comment many times.

BazilGin Sat 08-Mar-14 21:37:39

Nigella, (no not at me - just at random people on the tube ...'czarny' means black, 'maupa' means 'monkey' and 'nie ladnie' means 'not pretty'. put them all together and you have some pretty vile racism.)

Actually, nie ladnie means not nice and it is usually used in context when behaviour is described. Nothing to do with not being pretty, and certainly never heard it used in any racists rants nor can I imagine it being used for that purpose.
Maupa, or rather Malpa is a word for monkey, but as a negative word would be used for anyone (a woman) who is not nice. Again, this sort of word would not be used as a racist remark, unless you think the word hag is racist?
Czarny does mean black, but considering that you are trying to bend a few phrases you understand and interpret the whole conversations as racist, I doubt you know exactly what was discussed.

Wanted to binge on jam. Watching America's Next Top Model. That should stop the binge in its tracks grin

Am I nuts?

doubleshotespresso Sat 08-Mar-14 18:23:31

OhMergod spot on post

A lot of people I know in better paid jobs struggle to afford 2 children

True. There does seem to be a bind that deters ambition.

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 08-Mar-14 18:07:13

YABU and judgemental

MistressDeeCee Sat 08-Mar-14 17:41:02

I think this is too generalist.

All cultures have hard working people, and lazy people. Its as simple as that. You wont see the lazy people as they won't have upped sticks to work hard and make life in a new country.

I have 2 teens at home who aren't lazy. Thats because I didnt allow them to grow up entitled. They like nice things, but are prepared to work for them. One is talking about emigrating to explore better job opportunities on leaving Unil, Can't say I blame her, the attitude towards young people tends to be disgraceful here...almost like an envy of youth...who no doubt, after being thrown on the scrapheap, are the ones who are going to be expected to be our future carers/keepers of society

The lazy youths here are mostly the ones who have been thoroughly spoilt by parents who run around after them, making their DCs the absolute centre of their world, and not teaching them basic life skills such as cooking, housework, business sense and independence. Then no doubt complain when they grow up to be 'precious'. Theyre not indicative of ALL youth.

The good young people here remain unseen due to the negative hype

LightastheBreeze Sat 08-Mar-14 17:33:06

Actually OP I do know what you mean, I work with a low paid man whose wife does not work and she has just had a 3rd child. They get loads of tax credits/benefits and he always turns down any overtime, in fact he said he wanted to go part time, to help his wife at home. A lot of people I know in better paid jobs struggle to afford 2 children, but as long as the government keeps paying these benefits, people won't be bothered to work more than they have to.

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 16:51:57

Not working as in SAHM etc. the 'work' is elsewhere

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 16:48:22

I don't have a choice but to work so no.

Not working does not signify laziness. Working but not doing it or not working because you don't want to, however, does.

LimitedEditionLady Sat 08-Mar-14 16:43:04

Doesnt make much sense to me really,so are you soon going to decide its not worth working?

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 15:39:01

summed it up pretty well there sal, but OP is not the employer, she just works in the office....
so after stating how lazy British workers are she then moves on to this gem,
"I don't know what I'm going to do. It'll be at the point where it's barely worth working"
without even seeing any irony in her position. grin

SeaSickSal Sat 08-Mar-14 15:35:11

Sooooo, the OP is employing people for badly paid, unsecure, tedious jobs with no prospects and she is surprised that she has a choice between people who don't speak English or people who are rubbish.

Hmmm.

PooroldJumbo Sat 08-Mar-14 14:59:40

You are being unreasonable and unfair by saying the British youth of today are lazy. The foundation of your statement appears to be your own circle of friends and that can in no way be expanded to condemn several million young people.

If newly employed temporary workers you manage don't know how to set up for the day that is your fault for failing to train them. It doesn't make them lazy. Looking forward to a break doesn't make people lazy. You complain about British workers being slow but you don't seem to keep them for longer than a week so they don't get given the time to develop the skill, knowledge, muscle memory needed to get quicker.

You seem to me to have bought into the idea of a low wage economy.

I listened to an ex Emoyment Agency employee being interviewed on the radio a while ago. His company specialised in finding workers for the care home industry. The agency would always recruit from abroad, targeting countries with the most depressed economies. Obviously those workers would be willing to accept the worst pay and conditions offered by care homes here. However, once those workers had moved here and decided to settle permanently, to look for homes to rent or buy instead of living in a room in a shared house, to settle down with partners, to start families they began to ask for more money and better conditions. Then the care homes wouldn't renew those workers' contracts they would contact the Employment Agency which would recruit the next desperate person from abroad.

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 12:53:20

I do get tax credits but not a significant amount. I pay 720 pm Childcare (used to pay 840) and next year I'll get a whopping 30 quid per month help. I don't know what I'm going to do. It'll be at the point where it's barely worth working as that's a substantial proportion of my salary but I need to earn so I can pay my bills hmm

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 12:50:06

Not superior. Just less lazy. She doesn't have her kids most days. She only moans about her work (not her kids) saying she's worked far too many hours etc. there's nothing wrong with working less hours.

What's annoying is people who do the bare minimum and still think they're hard done by.

umpity Sat 08-Mar-14 12:27:07

A lot of modern youth are dishearted by rejection in job market. It needs fixing

LimitedEditionLady Sat 08-Mar-14 12:21:02

Hear hear fanjo
unfortunately you do sound like you think you are superior eveesmummy.

FanjoForTheMammaries Sat 08-Mar-14 11:03:56

The attitude of thinking you are superior and have a harder life because you work more hours grates on me a bit too, tbh.

And I don't get any tax credits.

LimitedEditionLady Sat 08-Mar-14 10:45:58

Its not all about having the absolute joy of spending time with your child its also the factor of childcare costs.I would love a bit of overtime but its impossible,

LimitedEditionLady Sat 08-Mar-14 10:43:55

Btw may i add we dont have a cleaner,a cook,a gardener,a laundry assistant or a nanny so I do those jobs aswell grin

TwittyMcTwitterson Sat 08-Mar-14 10:41:30

She doesn't have her kids that many days in a week. Either way, I mean she moans literally about work (not her kids) and how it's too many hours etc etc. doesn't understand why people work any more than that or even how they could.

I don't think working less hours is a bad thing in itself. I would definitely do it if I could as I would love to spend that extra time with DD. It's the attitude of doing the bare minimum and then still feeling you are hard done by that grates on me.

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