To be pissed off with myself re Bounty - help me take action

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WhatWillSantaBring Fri 28-Feb-14 10:43:57

I knew it was coming! I know my rights! I'm a lawyer, FFS, and I still got conned into giving my bastard details to the bounty woman in hopsital following the birth of my DC2.

However, I was sufficiently lucid to clearly think - "it's ok, I have not been asked to consent to marketing". My sketchy knowledge of the DPA is that they are now therefore in breach of it, as my details have been sold to third parties. Anyone want to help me with how I make a complaint to the ICO? Or maybe this is a campaign for Which? (I'm a member)

Or will a complaint do nothing. These bastards must be stopped!

DinoSnores Thu 06-Mar-14 17:45:45

"I did though find the tone of 80% of the posts earlier rather hateful towards these women."

I think there is justifiably a lot of anger about women who are allowed access to vulnerable women at an incredibly emotional, joyous, terrifying moment of life who often lie or mislead to harvest personal details that will then (without you giving appropriate consent) be sold on to third parties. Their work is morally reprehensible!

threeblueducks Thu 06-Mar-14 17:51:07

I was the only mum on the ward when ds was born- silly bint came back 3 times. 3rd time I listened to the pitch, nodded, smiled, and still said no. She then tried again the next morning where I loudly commented to all of the brand new overnight arrivals on the ward that the speech I'd had yesterday was more painful than my recent forceps delivery and would she please leave me in peace.
She huffed and puffed and finally fucked off. Did wonders for new mum stress.
I kinda hope she's there for baby 2 grin

SaucyJack Thu 06-Mar-14 17:52:30

Had a run-in with a Bounty "lady" meself this morning*. She walked in to my cubicle uninvited and attempted to collect mine and my new daughter's details.

When asked as to what it was for, she answered in a deliberately vague and misleading fashion as to what it was for- and when I directly challenged her she flat out denied it was for marketing purposes and refused to answer my Q that she wasn't a member of the medical team.

Poor DP was mortified with me at first, but that's because he's a naice MC boy who automatically complies with anyone flashing a laminated badge at him.

*that's for your v. timely thread OP btw.

SaucyJack Thu 06-Mar-14 17:53:05

or even thanks.

winterhat Thu 06-Mar-14 17:56:08

Very good idea daphnehoneybutt

RedToothBrush Thu 06-Mar-14 17:56:58

whataboutbob, the thing is that somehow you are excusing their behaviour because they are women. And there is babies involved and its a 'nice sweet fluffy job' rather than double glazing sales or home improvement or other sales professions which have a reputation for being dubious.

Yet they are using the same high pressure sales tactics that are BANNED in these other scenarios because they are considered unfair and aggressive.

I don't really get how that works.

RedToothBrush Thu 06-Mar-14 17:58:13

Saucy, I know you are very busy, but PLEASE try and write a complaint to the hospital.

perfectstorm Thu 06-Mar-14 20:38:25

I wasn't aware that disagreeing with a poster on AIBU and asking that they provide some sort of backing for their claims makes me "looking for a bunfight". confused You posted something fairly controversial, and as others have pointed out, you did so in support of sales techniques that are banned in scenarios involving far less vulnerable targets. You surely can't expect that to go unaddresses? You also ignored my point about the impact on benefits of the really low paid, and the fact that you're seemingly saying poorer women have less integrity than the better off. I don't think that is a fair assumption to make at all. I also asked if you had any data to back the original assertion up, and you didn't actually answer.

As to the tone being hateful - the people expressing anger have been harassed, lied to, insulted and their privacy invaded in the hours immediately after childbirth, all with the aim and intention of exploiting them. I'm afraid I think that behaviour is in itself rather hateful.

whataboutbob Thu 06-Mar-14 21:53:51

Ok. I have also been at the receiving end of bounty's tactics first time round got sucked in, second time round saw them for what they are and decided not to engage with them and then move on. If others have the energy to take Bounty on, then that's good. I absolutely do not support the sales tactics and business model which are deceitful and exploitative, I agree.what I m uncomfortable is the condescending and contemptuous comments about the women who do the work. I do not feel that poorer women have less integrity, just fewer choices. I. M sure there are plenty of wealthy, well educated women doing ethically dubious yet well paid jobs. Jobs in which the moral dubiousness can be better concealed. i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. But as a last word, I work in the NHS and I know it runs in great part thanks on the good will and humanity of underpaid working class women.

RedToothBrush Fri 07-Mar-14 08:30:02

I think the fact you keep saying that they are poorer or less educated women who work for Bounty is incredibly offensive but do carry on.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 10-Mar-14 12:35:43

RedToothBrush

Saucy, I know you are very busy, but PLEASE try and write a complaint to the hospital.

Seconded! And do feel free to copy us in - contactus@mumsnet.com - if you'd like to.

Congratulations on the new baby flowers

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 18-Mar-14 14:31:34

Just to let you all know: Justine and KatieMN had a rather productive meeting with health minister Dan Poulter today - you can see the details here.

Hope you're all getting on well with your complaints wink - we need your examples of recent bad practice, so Santa and others, if you'd like to submit your examples of your experiences for us to take up with the trusts concerned, do please email us at campaigns@mumsnet.com.

Thanks and hope the new babies are all thriving flowers

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