AIBU to think there would be more uproar If this was the Tory's

(129 Posts)
trampstamp Tue 25-Feb-14 07:55:39

Have I missed something here why is no one bothered that labour pretty much lobbied for a group that would see that the age of consent is lowered to 4 years old ffs

If this was the Tory's there would be up roar and the fact red ed is silent on this is shocking

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 25-Feb-14 08:17:02

YANBU. Harriet Harman opted for 'don't dignify the accusations with a response' and I think that's been a huge mistake.

ahlahktuhflomp Tue 25-Feb-14 09:19:47

YANBU.

The much-more-important-than-yow ruling minority that lost the election would be out in the streets burning effigies and screaming about tory scum if they had an excuse, but since it isn't a tory, why they haven't even done anything wrong.

None of them has my vote tbh, but don't be surprised at this from the left, without a talent for forgetting the lessons of history left wing politics wouldn't exist.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Tue 25-Feb-14 09:22:50

Can you provide evidence for the claim that 'labour pretty much lobbied for a group that would see that the age of consent is lowered to 4 years old'? I've been old enough to vote since 1979 and I can remember nothing remotely resembling this from Labour. I understood the current Daily Mail furore was about Harriet Harman who is now the deputy leader of the Labour Party having worked in the past for the NCCL which briefly allowed the Paedophile Information Exchange to affiliate to it, nearly 40 years ago.

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 25-Feb-14 09:26:20

Given the current crop of celebrity abuse trials where a lot of the evidence is from 40 years ago, it's hardly surprising that anyone even vaguely linked with an organisation with 'Paedophile' in the title is getting a tough time. Old sins, long shadows and all that.

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 09:30:00

So nearly 40 years ago, a group became an affiliate member (one of 1000) to a group - where anyone could become an affiliate member?

sallymanda Tue 25-Feb-14 09:32:07

This was not the labour party, it was the NCCL.

Traditional i.e. in the 1970s labour voters would be as appalled at PIE as traditional 1970s tories.

It's the open-minded liberals who gave these perverts the time of day.

DonnaDishwater Tue 25-Feb-14 09:33:04

Why could "anyone become an affiliate member"? Who decided this? And why did Harman get involved with a group where "anyone", including paedophile groups, "could become an affiliate member"?

sallymanda Tue 25-Feb-14 09:33:19

So open-minded their brains temporarily fell out.

Disclaimer: they gave these perverts the time of day they were not perverts themselves.

DonnaDishwater Tue 25-Feb-14 09:35:06

There is a massive disconnect between traditional Labour voters and people like Harman. And it's that disconnect that led to the Tories winning 4 elections on the trot from 79-92, and it's that disconnect which will likely lead to the Tories winning next year as well. Labour need to get rid of the likes of Harman if they want to appeal to the low-paid worker that should be their bread and butter.

limitedperiodonly Tue 25-Feb-14 09:35:11

The much-more-important-than-yow ruling minority that lost the election would be out in the streets burning effigies and screaming about tory scum if they had an excuse, but since it isn't a tory, why they haven't even done anything wrong.

No they wouldn't. They would keep quiet, just like the Conservatives are very sensibly keeping out of it, because there is no profit in slinging mud.

If there are paedophiles, they will be on both sides.

gordyslovesheep Tue 25-Feb-14 09:41:40

No there wouldn't . People do need to answer some difficult questions but its not as blatantly labour v tory as you seem to make out

This is not a new story, answers are needed. But its not like the Labour party where running round championing paedophiles rights

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 09:47:06

See - even if they do answer the questions, the Daily Mail would never say sorry for their insinuations.

ahlahktuhflomp Tue 25-Feb-14 09:47:18

I suspect they are keeping out of it because the whole political establishment is on shaky ground re child abuse. If only because many years have taught me that if a party is failing to capitalise on the opposition's scandal, that is usually defensive or because it isn't good ammunition.

I would certainly be questioning your own observational powers if you are under the impression Westminster politicians see no profit in slinging mud.

ahlahktuhflomp Tue 25-Feb-14 09:48:38

^ bah, misread your comment, ignore me I'm sick, tired and apparently a fuckwit today

ahlahktuhflomp Tue 25-Feb-14 09:48:48

^ bah, misread your comment, ignore me I'm sick, tired and apparently a fuckwit today

Dawndonnaagain Tue 25-Feb-14 09:53:05

labour pretty much lobbied for a group that would see that the age of consent is lowered to 4 years old ffs
Bunkum. If you have a point to make then do so. This is childish slagging off because of their politics.

diaimchlo Tue 25-Feb-14 10:04:12

Oh dear here we go again.... please take into consideration that this is the Daily Fail running this story, are they at all likely to say that any Tory MP has done anything wrong?????

Thetallesttower Tue 25-Feb-14 10:10:55

I've read the DM evidence and their rebuttals and really I don't think there's a huge case to answer. I don't agree with guilt by association given there were 1000 other affiliate organizations and the hierarchy of their own org got rid of this unsavoury one. I am not shocked by this- shocking would be active involvement in paedophilia or certain knowledge of it covered up and there must be quite a few MP's shaking in their boots about that.

nonmifairidere Tue 25-Feb-14 10:19:01

tramp Seems you've missed quite a lot, including all the actual facts of this 'story'. Have a little think about why the Tories are not making capital about this 'news'.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Feb-14 10:22:36

you are not wrong OP. I can just imagine the threads if it were the Tory front bench.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I am grateful to see such measured discussion on the whole. But it would be very different.

Quangle Tue 25-Feb-14 10:29:30

because it's just generally a silly story and because I don't think anyone actually thinks oh yes HH and the others are keen on child abuse hmm

I wouldn't be surprised if this arose from some sense of need to ensure paedophiles are properly represented in court and afforded the appropriate defence. This is distasteful to people but it's how our justice system works and it's what NCCL is about. PIE could have affiliated to NCCL on that sort of basis and NCCL clearly didn't do their homework properly when it became clear they were about something else.

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 10:29:32

Didn't the Daily Mail have links with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party?

Or is that too long ago to be important?

Once you start looking back in the past, you can make lots of links.

{wins on Godwin's Law)

Wantsunshine Tue 25-Feb-14 10:33:17

Yes, there would be more uproar if this were the Tory's.

IdRatherPlayHereWithAllTheMadM Tue 25-Feb-14 10:40:17

yes of course, there would be up roar if it was the tories!

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