to think that if you are Royal and want to campaign against wildlife being killed, you shouldn't shoot them?

(72 Posts)
HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 07:26:11

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26106137

Granted he's talking about the danger to endangered wildlife in Africa from poachers and he's only shooting boar on a private estate and they're not endangered so that's ok - but it doesn't come across too well.

LtEveDallas Sun 09-Feb-14 07:32:14

It's oranges and apples.

They are 'campaigning' against poaching and the decimation of species:

As Charles says in the unprecedented video message which launches their anti-poaching campaign, the numbers being killed are "staggering": nearly 100 elephants killed every day - a rhinoceros killed every 11 hours - a wild tiger population which, a century ago, numbered around 100,000 and which, today, has been reduced to an estimated 3,200

Williams hunting trip is on a private estate, where boar and stag have been stocked, bred and reared specifically for hunting and will be used for food.

I don't agree with hunting for sport, but the tabloid press have got their knickers in a twist about bugger all really. Controlled hunting happens and isn't as bad as poaching an animal into extinction.

BikeRunSki Sun 09-Feb-14 07:34:05

I agree. I don't agree with breeding or shooting anima for sport or gain, but shooting on a managed estate is not the same as shooting endanger animals for commercial gain.

I also think that if you are Imigration Minister you shouldn't have a illegal immigrant doing your cleaning. But he's resigned.

bouncysmiley Sun 09-Feb-14 07:34:57

I really don't see a problem, the animals he was hunting were not endangered.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 07:35:23

Don't you think it's a bit "off message"?

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 07:37:09

But from a PR point of view - William - we're going to talk about not killing endangered animals.

Fine - I'll just finish shooting these animals.

It may be ok to shoot deer - but from a PR point of view, it's not helpful. It's obvious what the media would do and it distracts from his message.

LtEveDallas Sun 09-Feb-14 07:37:43

No I don't Holly, because I think it's two different messages.

Sirzy Sun 09-Feb-14 07:39:38

I agree with LtEve

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 07:39:55

It's 2 messages - but it's obvious what the media would say and the Royals live off PR.

Sometimes as a Royal - you have to think about your publicity and think about how you come across.

The media are reporting this story very badly. It is a non-story comparing oranges and apples. He is not shooting endangered animals, rather animals that cause major damage if not controlled.

It is stupid anti-monarchy propaganda and fools no one except those who wish to be fooled.

But they're two different things.

Shooting endangered wild game in Africa for fun is not the same as shooting animals bred to be hunted on a private estate for food.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 07:54:03

Of course it's anti-monarchy propaganda.

Which William and his PR team have gifted to Republicans.

Treaclepot Sun 09-Feb-14 07:57:18

It was bloody stupid, a bit like smacking a child for hitting their brother.

Mind I would prefer to shoot a couple of the royal family, just a little cull, just to keep the numbers down...

SunnyL Sun 09-Feb-14 07:59:27

Yes he should only get his meat from.Tescos wrapped in plastic. Terrible terrible man.

Bearleigh Sun 09-Feb-14 08:03:16

At least those boar and deer have been leading a natural life up to the time they get shot unlike the vast majority of animals killed of human consumption.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 08:10:40

I have no problem with him shooting deer on an estate.
I am pleased he is trying to protect wildlife.

I just find it amusing that he could not realise that the media and Republicans would use this against him as "it's a good front page story" and we don't actually need to bother with facts.

angelos02 Sun 09-Feb-14 08:24:53

YANBU. It gives out mixed messages. Bit silly of him really but then the royals aren't known for their brains are they.

diddl Sun 09-Feb-14 09:14:52

I'm with you OP.

That & the fact that he's going to have to have a few trips to Africa!!

But I don't get hunting for sport.

I don't expect it of them because they're Royal-in fact I'd think more of them if they didn't do it.

AuntieStella Sun 09-Feb-14 09:22:03

Well, he was shooting boar, and you can get that nicely wrapped and delivered to you door by Ocado.

I agree with LtEve. It's not news that they like (legal) shooting.

It's nothing whatsoever to do with protected and endangered species.

Wishyouwould Sun 09-Feb-14 09:32:24

YANBU

Totally agree with Treaclepot's analogy.

cory Sun 09-Feb-14 10:16:03

I agree with LtEve. Plenty of conservationists shoot animals (deer, elks etc) to prevent the sickness and starvation that results from overpopulation.

It is the kind of cull that would normally be performed by predators like wolves (and humans!) but since humans are the only predator left in this country they get to do the job.

I breed rare tropical fish for conservation (because of damage to natural habitats). If I just let all the fry grow up every month, the water would be fouled through overcrowding and they would all die in a nasty way. I also make sure to get rid of any deformed or sickly fry that would be picked off by predators in the wild. If I didn't do this job the fish I breed would be useless and I would risk doing more harm than good. (The alternative would be to keep predatory fish, but in the limited confines of the aquarium it isn't possible to do this in a controlled and humane fashion.)

Prince Charles is not giving mixed messages: he has never said that he is against poaching because he can't bear the thought of killing the fluffy animals.

He is against poaching because it is uncontrolled and carries a serious risk of the extinction of species. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of non-human predators in Africa to do the job.

The boar is not an animal at the risk of extinction and all boar kills in this country will be carried out by licensed people in a controlled fashion.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 10:29:43

Timing.

The Royals survive because of good PR. They have a good press office and the media go out of the way to present them in a positive light.

So from a PR perspective - it's not exactly good timing despite the fact that shooting deer is perfectly valid.

LackingEnergy Sun 09-Feb-14 11:01:45

So I guess you and the media would have a problem with him shooting invasive non native species? Killing non native species goes hand in hand with conservation

I have no problem with him shooting animals that have been bred and managed for that nor do I link poaching with that sort of shooting. Baffled that anyone would to be honest

cory Sun 09-Feb-14 11:27:41

It is only bad PR in this country because conservation issues are poorly understood.

fascicle Sun 09-Feb-14 11:36:22

Regardless of the distinction between the two, I agree with Holly that it's a poor move from a PR point of view - it evokes old style Royal values, not in keeping with current efforts to portray the monarchy as less of a separate species and instead as warmer, more human-like beings. (From a personal point of view I think it's abhorrant, entitled and a few other things.)

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