To think scouts guides etc

(246 Posts)
alicetrefusis Mon 27-Jan-14 01:41:31

Are bloody weird. And the adults even more so. The uniforms!I speak as an ex guide ran away- but shit all that weirdly pseudo military stuff.looked at from the outside v disturbing. Also the cannibalistic rites and torture bits of the Christian service awful. Yet look around and church full of daily nail blue rinses and young parents desperate to get em into school, scary,

NigellasDealer Mon 27-Jan-14 01:47:29

you may indeed have a point.
mine joined cubs for a while but none of the leaders were particularly kind and my son why should he have to wear a 'candy arsed monkey suit' and 'go out in the evening to be shouted at by weirdos'. grin

NigellasDealer Mon 27-Jan-14 01:47:52

*my son said

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 01:49:46

Well I think you are confusing Guides with something else, we are not a christian or military organisation at all, even though many people think we are.
I don't read the DM (in fact the DM hate us with a passion) or have a blue rinse
I do confess to being a bit weird though (but not in the way you are thinking)

ComposHat Mon 27-Jan-14 01:49:55

I have no idea what you are talking about.

'cannibalistic rites'

'torture bits'

Things have obviously livened up a bit since I was in the cubs.

Bogeyface Mon 27-Jan-14 01:51:11

Given the origins of the Scouting Movement and what we now know about Baden Powell, YANBU. It all seems a little to earnest for me.

But then I am the most cynical person in the world so probably not a great judge!

NigellasDealer Mon 27-Jan-14 01:51:15

yes what are the 'cannabalistic rites and torture bits'? confused

Bogeyface Mon 27-Jan-14 01:52:36

Well I think you are confusing Guides with something else, we are not a christian or military organisation at all, even though many people think we are

Christianity was a big part of it. I remember promising to "serve God". Is that not in it anymore? You couldnt opt out of that bit of the promises when I was a brownie/guide.

Bogeyface Mon 27-Jan-14 01:53:46

And the Guides werent military but the scouts were and the guides were (originally) there to do the nice girly bits while the boys were off fighting, so it was military in origin.

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 01:55:11

We are open to people of all faiths and none (ie atheists). Any Brownie/Guide leader making out you have to go is church is just plain wrong

YoureBeingASillyBilly Mon 27-Jan-14 01:56:50

my ds is a scout- he's never tried to take a bite out of me confused

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 01:57:27

I am intrigued by the cannibalistic rites and torture bits of the Christian service though

Maybe my Guide meeting are just a bit more fun and less ritualistic

NigellasDealer Mon 27-Jan-14 02:00:32

"we are not a christian or military organisation at all" - well that is debatable

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 02:05:18

You might have come across a leader who has not been delivering the programme correctly and adding his/her own Christian ethos to it, but Girlguiding itself is not and never has been an exclusively Christian organisation,

Can't talk about scouts though

NigellasDealer Mon 27-Jan-14 02:05:57

girl guiding is/was a branch of scouts so share a history

Bogeyface Mon 27-Jan-14 02:06:38

Girlguiding itself is not and never has been an exclusively Christian organisation,

Wrong!

Bogeyface Mon 27-Jan-14 02:08:13

If you didnt promise to serve God then you couldnt join, at least in the UK.

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 02:11:21

We share a history in that we have the same founder but we are and always have been different organisations.

I'll say it again:
You might have come across a leader who has not been delivering the programme correctly and adding his/her own Christian ethos to it, but Girlguiding itself is not and never has been an exclusively Christian organisation.

If you can show me documented proof (not from the DM or your own personal anecdotes) that proves otherwise I'd be very interested

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 02:16:52

I am talking specifically Guide here (not scouts)

Even though the Promise had until last year a reference to my god (small g) and God (pre 1995) it has always been clear that a girl can replace this with Allah or any other word for god in any religion.
Any girl who felt uncomfortable with this did not have to make the Promise at all.

Any leaders who pressurised any girl to go to church or do christian activities were in the wrong and not representative of the organisation.

NatashaBee Mon 27-Jan-14 02:20:33

I'm disappointed that the guides group I went to didn't have any cannibalistic rituals. All we did was cook marshmallows on the campfire and do crafts.

FatOwl Mon 27-Jan-14 02:24:13

I'm beginning to think my Guides might be missing out.
We are doing Chinese New Year tonight complete with Fortune Cookies and Chopstick relay races.
Maybe we should do some sewing and praying instead to make sure the DM brigade can sleep easy in their beds

arabellarubberplant Mon 27-Jan-14 02:26:39

Goodness, is it time for this thread again already? So soon?

Yes, yes, we make 'em line in rows and shout when they are out of step. Anyone who refuses to serve God gets dunked, and we regularly roast non-conformists o'er the campfire.

Run along, there's a dear.

alicetrefusis Mon 27-Jan-14 02:27:41

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arabellarubberplant Mon 27-Jan-14 02:28:17

I am bloody weird though. There's no denying that. Fortunately I'm not as much of a twat as the op. I mean, ya gotta be fairly screw loose to put so much time and effort into other (ungrateful) people's kids, eh?

arabellarubberplant Mon 27-Jan-14 02:30:16

Ah, ok. Just a piss take then. In which case, I take it back.

But I'm still quite odd.

I am, however, just to start a thread about how to grow out a curly pixie cut with an unfortunate tide line where the dye finishes. About an inch of grey in patches, rather like a badger.

Maybe a mauve rinse?

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