School reading out names of children who have not paid for trips again?

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moldingsunbeams Mon 20-Jan-14 09:39:49

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ProudAS Mon 20-Jan-14 09:43:30

It's not on - why do the other children need to know who hasn't paid? DCs can't be excluded from an educational visit in school time for that reason.

ProudAS Mon 20-Jan-14 09:45:11

It's not on - why do the other children need to know who hasn't paid? DCs can't be excluded from an educational visit in school time for that reason.

ProudAS Mon 20-Jan-14 09:45:12

It's not on - why do the other children need to know who hasn't paid? DCs can't be excluded from an educational visit in school time for that reason.

NigellasDealer Mon 20-Jan-14 09:47:46

was it you who mentioned this before?
I would make a strong complaint to the headteacher and cc it to the governers tbh., it is just not acceptable practice.

Finabhear Mon 20-Jan-14 09:47:51

Not on at all.

This happened to DS1, but in his case they told him in front of the whole class that he had lost his place because everyone else had paid early - this was two weeks before the final date for payment for this trip hmm He is in year nine. The school got a very snotty letter from me and sorted it all out very quickly. They apologised to him but not to me.

DrankSangriaInThePark Mon 20-Jan-14 09:51:15

Well it depends. Have the people who haven't paid simply forgotten to pay?

Maybe the teacher thought she/he would get the money quicker if she just told the kids to remind their parents rather than having a letter typed up and sent out?

Or would people who had forgotten to pay be offended at that as well?

I strongly doubt the teacher stood up and said "A, B and C are too poor to go on the school trip ha ha ha". hmm

WooWooOwl Mon 20-Jan-14 09:51:26

I think it depends how it's done.

If it's just a general reminder to those children done in a way that is just to remind them to ask their parents, I don't see the problem.

If it's done in an accusatory way that implies those children are running the risk of ruining the trip for the whole class, then clearly that's wrong.

I forgot to pay for a trip on time once, as had a couple of other parents. Ds came home saying that he needed to take in his permission slip, which he did the next day, and it was a non issue. He wasn't upset, nor did he have any reason to be because his teacher was a nice person who just realised that parents can sometimes be forgetful and need a reminder.

moldingsunbeams Mon 20-Jan-14 09:51:51

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NigellasDealer Mon 20-Jan-14 09:53:49

oh yes I remember; this school sounds a bit ....'old fashioned' - if I were you I would kick up a stink about both of these issues.

As it is unlikely to be the children's fault that they haven't paid, I don't understand what is to be gained by naming them except to potentially upset some of them.

HappyMummyOfOne Mon 20-Jan-14 09:55:26

How else are they supposed to remind people? Lots mislay slips or forget to send in until the last moment. Those having financial troubles surely have already spoken to the school and agreed a payment plan so the teacher would be aware.

Callani Mon 20-Jan-14 09:56:17

Not only do I think it's wrong, I also can't imagine that it's particularly effective on primary school children. I was AWFUL at remembering anything at that age and certainly wouldn't have passed on messages - and I definitely wouldn't have done if I had the slightest inkling that the reason my parents hadn't paid was because they didn't have the money...

moldingsunbeams Mon 20-Jan-14 09:56:37

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ProudAS Mon 20-Jan-14 09:59:15

Reminding children about slips (which will probably come with voluntary contributions) is fine.

Telling whole class that x,y and z have not paid and that nobody can go for that reason isn't on.

QOFE Mon 20-Jan-14 09:59:34

DD's school do this. She came recently telling me that her teacher had asked her and a couple of other children, in front of the whole class, why their parents hadn't paid the full instalments for the residential trip they are going on in May.

DD's teacher should know damn well that DD and the other children are on FSM and therefore have been allocated funding to help with the cost of the trip. Which DD herself hadn't been told because I didn't want to worry her with our financial difficulties angry

scaevola Mon 20-Jan-14 09:59:40

It's wrong and potentially against the law.

A general reminder to pay is one thing. Treating any individual,child differently because of parents' ability to pay isn't allowed. And I think naming them in front of other children does this and is unfair pressure.

If the school needs to chase up parents who haven't paid (to ascertain if they have just forgotten or are having difficulties paying) then that is fair enough. But it should be in private.

Children cannot be excluded from curriculum trips because of inability to pay (though trips can be cancelled if the are insufficient numbers who pay, as paying parents cannot be asked to pay more to cover shortfall, and the difference cannot be covered from other funds).

QOFE Mon 20-Jan-14 10:00:36

That wasn't a first instance either. The teacher has done the same over the 'voluntary' coach contributions more than once in the past.

moldingsunbeams Mon 20-Jan-14 10:00:46

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DrankSangriaInThePark Mon 20-Jan-14 10:00:55

Ah, but I am that mother who always forgets. So dd (who of course really wants to go on the trip) is forever coming home and saying "oi, you still haven't paid the teacher!" so I get my finger out.

And that seems fairly logical and comprehensible. Things need to be booked, and buses cost a certain amount if there are 10 kids or 29 kids on them. So it's fine IMO to say, if not enough people pay then we can't go.

QOFE Mon 20-Jan-14 10:02:08

HappyMummyOfOne - they could do what they usually do about reminders and use the Parent Text service? Or ask the parents concerned in private?

OpalQuartz Mon 20-Jan-14 10:02:14

If she is reading the names of people who have returned the permission form but just not paid then that is bad. If it is people who have neither returned the form nor paid, then it is ok.

soverylucky Mon 20-Jan-14 10:02:42

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DrankSangriaInThePark Mon 20-Jan-14 10:02:50

I think your case is different QOFE, because that sounds clearly like the teacher is being at best dim-witted and at worst a bit of an arse about it.

moldingsunbeams Mon 20-Jan-14 10:11:07

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