to cancel dds swimming lessons to pay for stage school?

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smuggler Tue 14-Jan-14 15:01:22

Dd is 7 and desperate to start stage school but it's extremely expensive. She's been having swimming lessons for around a year. She's always been extremely water confident, she can swim a length of a full size pool but hasn't got the technique of the strokes quite right. She finds swimming lessons boring and isn't really progressing. I always thought I'd continue with them until she passed all stages so I could be sure she was safe around water. But if she carries on swimming I can't afford stage school. Wibu to swap the activities?

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 23:32:35

smuggler this is what your dd should be doing.

www.traffordleisure.co.uk/brands/swim-well/lessons-and-development/begin-well/

We all run of the Asa frame work . There is also a set of skills she would have had to do. Ask to see them if she can't do them/ hasn't been shown ask to talk to the swimming co-ordinator.
Otherwise you are wasting time and money

PurpleSprout Wed 15-Jan-14 23:27:44

smuggler Sorry yes, can see that. I just wondered if you felt guilty (and I'm not saying you should) about her learning, could you bolster it outwith lessons more cheaply. It may be not.

I was more thinking what do you need to be water-safe for? If it's the pool at home and on hols, supervised on the beach etc. and you think you're DD is ready then maybe she could stop lessons and do the practice at work.

If it's 'I've been unsupervised and jumped into a fast-flowing river' then, umm, don't let her? If it's once you're an adult etc. then my comment above applies, best I'm fit, I had years of swimming lessons, got all my badges as a kid and am still not a good swimmer. I can swim for hours, but irrelevant because I can't propel myself out of trouble particularly quickly despite some specific training around it (I wanted to dive / snorkel).

WeddingComingUp Wed 15-Jan-14 23:26:30

Ds1 is 5 and in level 3. I wouldn't say he'd be able to swim 25m with no flotation devices though. He could easily do it with a handheld float, but probably not solo.

smuggler Wed 15-Jan-14 23:07:14

Purple dp works a lot of weekends and I also have a toddler so teaching her myself is difficult.

smuggler Wed 15-Jan-14 23:05:23

Yes that's the colour hats their scheme follows. I didn't say she can just about do a length, she can swim a length easily - I've never made her swim until she could no longer swim so no idea how many she is capable of. At our leisure centre they're in the learner pool until they reach stage 5 so are definitely not swimming 50m.

PurpleSprout Wed 15-Jan-14 23:03:12

Your DD can swim.

I did swimming lessons for years as a kid. I'm not a natural swimmer. I can swim a mile, sure, no problem but I do not, never have had and never will have a strong enough swimming stroke to pull myself out of a problem current or get out of freezing water before it affects me.

I even tried lessons as an adult to improve (because I fancied triathlon and I'm a reasonably cyclist).

If she can swim effectively and you know how to improve her stroke, can you help he improve through family swim time and divert the lesson money to stage school?

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 22:36:15

there will be swimmers in her class at school and the will stand out immediately . The lessons are much fuller and tbh you do t get through much.

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 22:34:37

smuggler I'd your dd is in stage six and can just about do a length she has been failed badly.
Stage 1 aiming to do 5m
Stage 2 = 10 m - red hat
Stage 3 = 25m - orange
Stage 4 = 50m - yellow
Stage 5 = 100m - light blue
Stage 6 = 200m - dark blue

This is the ASA stage frame work ? What area are you in?

smuggler Wed 15-Jan-14 22:33:05

Yes she'll go swimming with school next year but I can't see her learning much then as most children are non-swimmers/some are scared of water etc. We go swimming at weekends at least once or twice per month and extra in school holidays. It's just frustrating as I also have a toddler who isn't so keen on swimming so dd never gets to swim as much as she'd like to. Pre-toddler we'd go for three hours! I wish toddler and I could watch from the side so dd could swim more but not allowed to do that until she's 8. However there's a local outside pool where she's allowed to swim alone so we use that when weather permits.

hippo123 Wed 15-Jan-14 22:11:46

I'm no expert but I would say it was yes. Ds is almost 7 and has just got into stage 4 having been having lessons since 4.5 years. Most of his class (year 2) are either stage 3 or 4, I think one boy is stage 5.
I would make sure I took her swimming once or twice a month and let her enjoy the stage school for now. Won't she be getting swimming lessons in school next year as well?

smuggler Wed 15-Jan-14 22:06:47

Yes that's ASA stage 6. I know her school friends are in stage 3 generally and have been having lessons longer (some since 6 months old...imagine how much they've spent!) but thought it was dds confidence that had gotten her to stage 6. She's just turned 7, is stage 6 good for her age then?

hippo123 Wed 15-Jan-14 21:52:16

op is that ASA stage 6? If so that's very good for a 7 year old who's only been having lessons for a year.

smuggler Wed 15-Jan-14 21:41:03

Thanks for all of your replies, they've been interesting to read. Though we don't live near the sea, dd has actually managed to fall in a canal when she was fishing a couple of years ago. Obviously no current there but she didn't panic (despite it being March and freezing!) and swam to the side. She also swims in the sea on holiday under close supervision. She is quite small for her age which is why I think she struggles to get the hang of the strokes. I think it was a valid point whoever said restarting the lessons when she's a bit bigger and stronger might be a good option. I think she'd enjoy water sportswhen older and until then is obviously not going to be anywhere near water unsupervised.

bruffin Wed 15-Jan-14 19:30:35

Thats not in lessons just in public pools i think.The pools i have been in the netherlands had free life jackets on the side of the pool.

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 19:23:02

I don't advocate armbands till 50m! That is daft and demoralising!

The frame we follow is once they complete 5m with out floatation aid all discs/bands are off - for good.

bruffin Wed 15-Jan-14 19:12:33

I bet its a big incentive to pass the certificates though.

curlew Wed 15-Jan-14 19:01:52

Well frankly, arm bands until you can swim 50 meters strikes me completely daft.

bruffin Wed 15-Jan-14 18:41:46

This is what i found about the netherlands swim certificate system

"They are taught not to panic and how to react in a controlled, safe environment and the tasks even for very young children are quite substantial, the First diploma is the “A” certificate and children are required to be able to swim 50 metres in both breaststroke and backstroke and swim 3 meters underwater through a large hole in a canvas panel for instance, and this increases to 75 meters and 6 meters underwater for the “B” diploma exam.

Later for the “C” diploma the kids have to achieve 100 meters swimming, in swimsuit and then swimsuit and clothes, with obstacles and forward rolls into the water, and 9 meters underwater and swimming through the panel with the hole in it.

Children who have not yet achieved their “A” diploma are required to wear inflatable armbands in all public swimming pools until they do, and many school and outdoor organisations will not let children take part in water activities if they have not achieved the three ”A”, “B” and “C” diplomas. "

Which sounds pretty good to me.

CurlsLDN Wed 15-Jan-14 18:37:54

I did a few basic swimming lessons with school, and swam loads on holidays. I later became a lifeguard on the Thames.

I went to youth theatre from aged 11-18, I made my closest ever friends, learnt confidence, team work, creativity, public speaking, all things that I put to good use in professional and everyday life as an adult.

You don't have to be an Olympic swimmer to swim!

curlew Wed 15-Jan-14 18:32:57

So what is your definition of an adequate swimmer? If being confident in the water and covering 25m without difficulty doesn't cut it? I presume that anyone who has reached that stage in lessons would also be able to float?

And yes, of course you have to be able to do more than that for some activities. But not, presumably, stage school- which is what the OP's dd wants to do!

bruffin Wed 15-Jan-14 18:07:54

Of course stroke matters. Having a good stroke and proper breathing technique makes the world of difference to swimming with efficiency and stamina.
I am sure in Netherlands you have to have a swimming certificate to do certain things and that is a min of 50m as well as other skills.

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 18:05:00

curlew learning to float is a staple part of swimming! unfortunately not all people find it easy. Men/boys especially struggle as they tend to be leaner with less body fat known as sinkers Busty women float great !

What if you fell in on your own with no one to help? One of the things we teach our kids is not to try to attempt a rescue as it will more than likely end in a double catastrophe . Also treading water for a long time is exhausting , if taught correctly it saves energy, a thrashing frantic child is gonna run out of steam pretty quick.

If parents come to me saying that there dc is getting bored in one of the classes, I will move them to a class with different dynamics. But urge them to hang on till at least their 50m is done. If the child's getting bored it's the teachers fault.

curlew Wed 15-Jan-14 17:50:56

Well, adequately to me is being able to stay afloat til rescued if you fall into water, to have fun at the beach and to be safe and unpanicky out of your depth. What's your definition?

Tinkertaylor1 Wed 15-Jan-14 17:38:42

Clearly!

Megrim Wed 15-Jan-14 17:35:40

Guess you have a different concept of "adequately" than me.

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