in not allowing my small dd (reception) on the coach

(61 Posts)
TokenGirl1 Wed 18-Dec-13 11:44:47

for a school trip and driving her instead? The coach only has lap belts and the school don't want her to use a booster seat.

She is the size/weight of an average 3 year old. In my opinion, if there is an accident she could be seriously injured wearing a lap belt around her abdomen as the belt is provided for adults not small children.

I'm sure they think I'm being overprotective but I've read the advice on car seats and there's a reason why small children are not supposed use belts around their abdomen.

MrsUptight Wed 18-Dec-13 11:46:15

YABU. They can't allow ONE child to use a booster! If you want her to miss out, then it's up to you of course.

kinkychristmas Wed 18-Dec-13 11:47:05

She's your child, do what you are comfortable with.

TokenGirl1 Wed 18-Dec-13 11:47:26

She won't be missing out, I'd drive her, drop her off and pick her up at the end.

LifeofPo Wed 18-Dec-13 11:47:55

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HankyScore Wed 18-Dec-13 11:48:43

Lap belts are horrendously dangerous even for bigger kids (and adults).

Yanbu at all.

crikeybadger Wed 18-Dec-13 11:48:47

If you feel reassured by driving her then do it. smile

procrastinatingagain Wed 18-Dec-13 11:49:08

YANBU. It doesn't sound safe for your daughter. She won't miss out if you drive her there anyway.

YABU - the bus trip is the most fun part & she'll feel left out if you push this point.
You sound very overprotective

Bramshott Wed 18-Dec-13 11:51:18

If that's what you feel most comfortable with, and the school are happy, there's no reason why you shouldn't. It might be worth checking about the belts though - most coaches have shoulder and lap belts these days.

I do have some sympathy as DD2 is very small (just over 1 metre aged 6 1/2), but coaches are statistically very safe - they are driven by professional drivers, generally fairly slowly, and are very robust in the event of a crash.

procrastinatingagain Wed 18-Dec-13 11:52:13

Isn't the problem that on adults the lap belt goes across the pelvis/top of thighs area, but on small children the belt goes across the abdomen, so it there is a collision, all the impact is absorbed by the internal organs? Doesn't sound too OTT to be worried about this imo.

WilsonFrickett Wed 18-Dec-13 11:55:17

If you want to drive her, that's fine. However, the horror stories you hear about wrt to coach crashes almost always involve motorway driving/driving in bad weather/driving overnight to catch ferries abroad etc. The risk of a coach going from your DD's school (to the panto I assume?) in the next town being involved in a crash is tiny.

Last year DS school cancelled a trip where they were all going to go on the normal bus because of bad weather. The buses were still running but they felt the risk was too high.

TokenGirl1 Wed 18-Dec-13 11:55:17

That's exactly it procrastinating. That is my only reasont o be concerned. I'm happy for her to go on the trip apart from that.

littleducks Wed 18-Dec-13 11:56:57

It's not a good idea, half the trip fun is singing songs on the bus. DS knows all the landmarks on the way to butterfly world from his reception trip, the journey is pretty important.
They sit next to their partners who they then walk about with and sometimes in their groups with their adult. I think your dd would miss out and statistically coaches are pretty safe due to their size in the case of a collision.

Ubik1 Wed 18-Dec-13 11:57:26

I'm sure I've read this before....

friday16 Wed 18-Dec-13 11:59:02

Cars are about eight times more dangerous per mile than coaches (cars: 6.1 deaths per billion passenger kilometres in 1981 falling to 2.5 in 2006, as seatbelts were introduced and made compulsory), coaches pretty well flat at 0.3 deaths per billion passenger kilometres. (Social Trends 39, ONS).

So you can take your car, but it's much more dangerous than travelling by coach.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 18-Dec-13 11:59:25

all the coaches I have taken children on lately have had adjustable shoulder belts and I have crippled my back by making sure all were appropriately adjusted.

Are you sure about the lap belts? I would not want to send my child on a bus without appropriate safely harnesses.

LifeofPo Wed 18-Dec-13 12:00:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gamerchick Wed 18-Dec-13 12:00:56

The bus bit is one of the best bits.

Lap belts are a horror and I would be very unhappy for my child (or myself for that matter) to use them. I always felt they were dangerous, and I had that confirmed a few weeks ago when I saw an X-ray of a significant spinal fracture (all the way through) which had been caused by a lap strap holding the bottom half still, but allowing the torso to be flung forward. This x-ray was of an adult too! I would also be campaigning to have the school fit 3 point harnesses in the minibus too.

(I'm a medical student BTW...)

everlong Wed 18-Dec-13 12:03:06

It's a bit precious tbh.

Yabu and Friday is right statistically you are more dangerous driving her. Also impact in accidents is very different to car impact which with that makes it far safer on a coach and why booster seats are not a requirement on these trips.

thebody Wed 18-Dec-13 12:05:30

Hi op, dear to my heart as my dd was badly injured on a school trip coach crash. She went through the window as her lap belt snapped.

It's a very very rare occurrence. I know that and you know that. But do what your heart/sense tells you.

Your child your choice.

friday16 Wed 18-Dec-13 12:06:12

I'm a medical student BTW

Then you'll have access to epidemiologists and medical statisticians who can explain the statistics to you.

A rational response to "lap belts are a bit rubbish" would be to travel by coach, but not fasten the lap belt. It's still massively safer than driving.

cory Wed 18-Dec-13 12:07:44

Imho she would be a lot safer on the coach without any seat belt at all than in a car.

I've been on a coach which was run into by a car. Ds and I were at the end where the collision was and we barely felt the bump; if it hadn't been for the noise we wouldn't have realised anything untoward had happened. The car was scrap metal. No way would I want my child in a private car if there was the safer option of a bus, coach or train available.

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