Chicken pox parties

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RosebudTheCat Sat 07-Dec-13 12:19:18

A relative has asked if I'd like to expose my two kids to her DD, who has chicken pox. My youngest is just 8mo. AIBU to think it was a stupid question to ask? Do people really still do 'chicken pox parties'?

MrsDeVere Wed 11-Dec-13 07:45:58

I can't find anything that supports that figure.
I would think that I very high number like that would be all over the place.

Children get CP internally too. It is not an adult complication.

As children are generally more vulnerable than adults you would think that it would make CP more dangerous in that group wouldn't you?

Have just done a quick whizz through and located this info here

In our study, the frequency of respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation was 42%, a finding that indicates that patients with Varicella pneumonia are at high risk for respiratory failure and subsequently require mechanical ventilation. With supportive management, the majority of them recovered. The overall mortality rate was 5.3%, which is lower than the reported 10-33% in the literature. Improvement in mortality is likely to be the result of several factors, including better respiratory support in ICUs, early diagnosis and institution of acyclovir therapy.[2] However, all patients in this study were treated with acyclovir, which may explain the low mortality rate.

This study ran 1992-2005, so I assume the higher mortality referred to was the data the consultant referenced, as I was ill in '92. The reasons for improved stats are clear...........and very good to see smile

bumbleymummy Wed 11-Dec-13 08:17:33

You would think that MrsDV but complications are more common and usually more serious in adults NHS
"Adults with the virus are more likely to be admitted into hospital. Approximately 5-14% of adults with chickenpox develop lung problems, such as pneumonia. If you smoke, your risk of developing lung problems is much greater."

It's the same for most childhood illnesses - measles, mumps etc - they are more serious in adulthood.

bumbleymummy Wed 11-Dec-13 08:18:42

Sorry X-post HaveA. That's very interesting.

thegreylady Wed 11-Dec-13 08:36:41

Dd just rang to say she is staying at home with dgs today as she doesn't like the look of one of the spots near his eye. She says he is still quite chipper in himself but very uncomfortable. How long do the spots keep on coming out?

Also interesting, from Journal of Infectious Diseases
Despite declining fatality rates, in 1990–1994, adults had a risk 25 times greater and infants had a risk 4 times greater of dying from varicella than did children 1–4 years old, and most people who died of varicella were previously healthy. Varicella deaths are now preventable by vaccine

...and, again, thank goodness medical research continues to advance.

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 11-Dec-13 09:04:26

I misread your initial post as 1 in 8 adults who get cp die. Was confused for a while.

Those of you who think cp parties are a great idea, why do you think doctors no longer say go for it,they used to before the ed of the 70's nowadays if you asked about it at the minimum you would get that look they do (the one that makes you squirm and go red).

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 11-Dec-13 09:06:55

Did you omit a word there?

Perfectly healthy smokers? Or do they no longer say its a complication that mainly effects pregnant women (the more pregnant the more likely) and smokers?

Sock the second extract was from a different journal entry ... here and doesn't mention smoking.
It does say 'previously' healthy, though, not 'perfectly', so perhaps it covers those who may have smoking related issues, but insufficient to have required any medical treatments?
Not my article so can't clarify sad Full text may offer more.

MrsDeVere Wed 11-Dec-13 09:41:16

The studies I have looked at quickly mention pneumonia as the reason for death rates.
Smoking increases the risk.

I haven't seen the age range the studies were done on but if they are 18 - 100 they would be seriously skewed.

Don't have the time to go back and read through again, but seem to recall the elderly stats were run as a separate study.
The first link clearly dealt with degree that Varicella pneumonia stats were influenced by smoking, the second did not but full text may well do......... again, I do not have time to run the research this morning.

Thank you for prompting me to go back and confirm the original consultant info though. Times have moved on, as have drugs, and it is very good news that the stats have improved a bit for adult deaths from severe cp.

DazzleU Wed 11-Dec-13 10:24:13

Why should the NHS be paying millions to vaccinate children against a disease that very rarely causes serious complications.

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10424112/GPs-disbelief-at-250m-shingles-jab-to-save-200-lives.html

There a whole article saying the same about shingles vaccine.

I had one DGP die from shingles but two more relative have it one in 80s and one in 60s. The two that were ill were in pain for months and very ill for months - which had knock on effects to other family members. 80 year old needed more support from working relatives and 60 year old was provide free around school childcare and acting as carer for another relative.

One reason to vaccinate against chickenpox is that when those DC are old they won't, or much much less likely to develop, shingles.

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10429438/Should-we-get-over-our-phobia-of-vaccines-and-act-against-chicken-pox.html

Sockreturningpixie, Regardless of the pros and cons of CP Parties I don't think GPs would dare recommend them now. Everybody sues everybody these days.

I'm not completely for or against them myself. I just think that someone who weighs the risk and decides it's safer that way is not a moron as some posters earlier were saying.

If they could vaccinate and guarantee that they won't get it as an adult that would be a whole new situation.

thegreylady Sun 15-Dec-13 10:05:01

Just to say that when dd took dgs to the GP last week a mum with two children, a baby and a two year old, came over and asked if he had chickenpox. Dd confirmed this and the mum said,"I hope my two catch it, I want them to have it before they start school." She was dissuaded from encouraging dgs to "Give the baby a cuddle!" when dd explained that the two little ones would probably be ill over Christmas!
The good news is that the doctor said dgs' spots were almost all crusted over and provided no new ones appeared he could go back to school on Monday. He gave Fugicin ointment for the two that looked a bit dodgy and they are now better.
Thank God. That was the youngest of my dgc and the last to get cp. Some of the things I have read here have changed my perception of what I always viewed as a fairly mild childhood illness. I will never forget reading ClutchingPearls account of her little boys traumatic experience last year, from when he was "still sleeping" until she finally got him home. I was wondering how they were.

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