To be absolutely furious, stressed, angry and in state of panic about this?

(86 Posts)
nicecupoftea2013 Fri 06-Dec-13 17:31:52

There has been restructuring in work, so we had to go for an interview for our jobs. There are enough vacancies for staff as some had left.

My interview went well, a person on the panel said "well done" as we were walking out.

I then get a phone call saying "interview was for another position also (not advertised) and when we spoke to a manager, he said no, he doesn't want you to have the job."

The next day I get a phone call, saying you have failed the interview, you are being made redundant.

I am furious, as I am a great employee. The chair of the interview panel has made sexist comments, and broken confidentiality when he spoke about another candidate. He has done other things too which raises serious questions about his professionalism and integrity.

Unfortunately, the other person on the panel is ambitious and will say anything to keep in favour with the managers.

As a widow, I am really stressed about being made redundant, especially when I have done nothing wrong. Obviously it isn't a nice job with these managers, but I would prefer to work here than be unemployed. I am scared of being unemployed as there is high unemployment in north of England.

I have asked for feedback, but the answers were vague and non committal, saying I didnt score enough points. He rushed through my interview as he had another meeting, and he even answered his mobile phone in somebody elses interview.

I have been treated appallingly by the whole process. Although, I face a risk of being bullied if I stay, I would prefer that to being on the dole.

I am waking up at night panicking and seeing these managers faces.

RandomMess Sun 16-Feb-14 10:59:52

Hugs & flowers, this is going to take a long long time to resolve isn't it sad

But if there are enough roles for people I struggle to see how they could justify that. Agree if there aren't then it's a different matter

Walkingwounded Sun 16-Feb-14 09:13:50

Op do you have legal advice? Really the only way to combat this sort of bullying is by showing them clearly that their position is untenable.

ItitwrongtofancyHarryStyles Sun 16-Feb-14 09:10:46

Whoever management has in mind! All they have to do is say they believe another candidate can do the job better. It's pretty much that simple (well it is in my industry, I can't speak for other possibly more structured industries).

As I said, people (unfortunately) need to wise up to the fact that if they didn't get the role and they are qualified for that role then it usually means that management, for whatever reason, wanted them out of that role.

Harry, surely not though if there are enough jobs to go round and the op is at risk, if she can do the job she should get the job. Who are these "other candidates"?

ItitwrongtofancyHarryStyles Sun 16-Feb-14 08:26:56

Sorry you are so stressed. It's a very scary thing to happen and you have my sympathy.

Few points:

When bosses restructure they know exactly who they want in the roles and who they want to take redundancy. It's often why they restructure. They would have gone through it all with lawyers and HR before in blunt terms to see what they can and can't do and will be confident they can drive their plan through.

Also, Stealth, I think it's probably a waste of time OP proving she was doing the job well from appraisals. All they need to say is that another candidate can do it better in their opinion. They can take on whoever they like really.

However they seem to have handled it very badly especially if the new roles is significantly similar to the old one - what a stupid mistake - so I undersand why you are pursuing. The whole process does indeed sound very shoddy.

OP I've got to be honest, I'm concerned by your emotional, angry comments about people on the panel being 'cows' and 'bitches', people are 'unprofessional', 'overly ambitious' and 'arrogant', others going for the role are inferior to you.

I do hope you don't let any of this spill over into any conversations you having during this process or in general in a work environment - you will make yourself not only look unprofessional but also a difficult person to work with. It's unlikely any of them are awful, evil people, they are just people doing a job.

This might all sound harsh, but you need to keep calm, be professional and at this stage of the process keep focussed on what you want to happen. Don't waste your energy on any of the other stuff, it's irrelevant what motivates these people or what their personalities are like.

QOD Sun 16-Feb-14 08:07:19

Oh man, sorry this is still going on

Misspixietrix Sun 16-Feb-14 08:01:27

Stealth I was thinking in line of her saying they didn't pay her for December when they should have done. If she has proof she can wave it under their noses and make them pay her what she's owed for that month before tribunal etc.

Surely she doesn't need to prove she attended work? They need to prove either that they gave her notice in advance of that period or that she was meant to be working and didn't turn up,in which case they'd have proof they tried to deal with it at the time? As they would with any employee. I work in a different office from my boss who travels a lot and can go a week without being at her desk but shed still be aware something was up if I didn't turn up for a week and raise it - shed start off worried about me!

One thing that occurs to me. They say you can't do "the job" which is very similar or the same as your previous job. Do you have any recent appraisals documenting you doing "the job" perfectly well?
Sorry it's come to tis op sad they sound awful

Misspixietrix Sun 16-Feb-14 07:37:06

OP do you have proof of attending every day in December? Did you have a clocking in/out system you can get hold of?

Jaynebxl Sun 16-Feb-14 07:22:56

So sorry to hear it worked out like that. Can't remember if this was talked about before but are you in a union?

nicecupoftea2013 Sat 15-Feb-14 23:43:45

I am appealing my "set up" interview and will see what happens. The feedback says my scores are too low to even consider training for me, but it doesn't say what my scores are! But I am appealing on the grounds that I am intelligent and capable of learning "on the job" training in a reasonable time etc

This appeal will either get me a job, or it will add to my tribunal case.

So far I have:
Failure to follow legal dismissal procedure
Unfair selection-based on interview alone (not telling me required scores and criteria)
Not a redundancy- the job in the restructure is exactly the same
Failure to offer work in redeployment
Failure to offer any suitable work

One thing I do know, is that I am not accepting an out of court settlement. I will go to a tribunal.

I have lost trust and confidence in them so I dont believe I will win this appeal. It almost feels like a conspiracy now as so many people are involved.

My notice period has ran out now so I feel sad about it all. I enjoyed my job and had some lovely colleagues.x

enriquetheringbearinglizard Tue 04-Feb-14 18:38:58

I had read your thread before OP and am very sorry to hear this latest setback.

Please keep your head held high and do take all the advice available to put the right wheels in motion. I totally appreciate your point of view and offer my virtual support, for whatever use that is.
Good Luck thanks

RandomMess Tue 04-Feb-14 18:32:57

I admire you so much for fighting them. I would go to the drs and get it written down on your notes at how much the stress has affected you - may lead to a larger payout at tribunal?

Private rentals are exempt from bedroom tax I believe?

Can you go and do some voluntary work just to get out of the house and keep some structure?

I have to say, you rock, I'm not sure I could have attempted what you have done.

3littlefrogs Tue 04-Feb-14 18:25:06

Can you sign up with an agency? Would it be worth meeting with or writing to your MP?

Igglywiggly Tue 04-Feb-14 18:01:36

Oh you poor thing!

>hug<

What a terrible time you've had. The way you have dealt with it has been an inspiration and shows what absolute fools your managers are. Hopefully another employer will see your intelligence, grace and fortitude and snap you up.

Crazy4U Tue 04-Feb-14 17:57:51

I have no words of advice but can offer a (((hug))).

nicecupoftea2013 Tue 04-Feb-14 17:47:26

Well I have been failed the interview I had yesterday and also turned down for my appeal!

I have emails saying they wont offer me my advertised job as I would never be capable of learning the job even with training and support!! Another email from someone doing the "new" job says it is exactly the same job. I have lots of other evidence too.

Their appeal answer ignores all the evidence, and say that I lied about everything.

So my redundancy is official. Another colleague who was sacked for no genuine reason, believes they dont care and will just pay the money in a tribunal because it is cheaper than paying wages.

I will fight it, as I would prefer to work. But I need to be realistic that I am facing redundancy and I am so scared.

I private rent two bedroom flat, but my sons have just left home, so I now have the bedroom tax! They will be returning from uni so I need to keep the bedroom that they share.

The unemployment office is awful now, the clients I work with tell me awful stories.

I think I am in shock as I know I have been wronged.

I am also scared because my youngest left home Sunday, so I will be home alone all the time which isnt healthy for me. Spending days not speaking to adults will really get to me.

Ba*****S!

I know I want to leave there, but I would prefer to work until I get another job. I will miss the people I work with, (not the managers!) I need structure and purpose in my life especially as my son has just left home.

I am in shock and have to go now. I am in the house alone and just need a hug x

MooMaid Mon 03-Feb-14 22:06:10

Just read this and has made me so angry!! I have everything crossed for you and well done for sticking up for yourself.

Even more fingers crossed that you find a better job and can tell them to shove their job up their arse you're resigning

BakerStreetSaxRift Mon 03-Feb-14 20:14:33

Well done today, you should be very, very proud of yourself.

And now you know, even when faced with such a hostile interview panel as today, you can knock it out of the park in other interviews when you leave this appalling company, hopefully in your own time.

Hissy Mon 03-Feb-14 19:46:10

Good for you love! Have to admire your spirit and fight! Go you! smile

innisglas Mon 03-Feb-14 19:43:08

It all sounds awful but I so admire you for your fight, which is not just for you but helps everyone. Best wishes

nicecupoftea2013 Mon 03-Feb-14 18:36:18

I am so proud of myself as I gave a fantastic interview.

There were four people on the panel, (usually three) so they were obviously trying to intimidate me. When I told my colleagues about the members they said "Cow/nasty" etc about every single panel member.

But I gave a great interview. One panel member started off by being "fake charming" but ended by giving me the evil eye.

If I am turned down now, then it is another case for the tribunal as I have evidence that I have been doing parts of this job!!! So two suitable alternative jobs not offered to me.

I dont really care about work now, but I am pleased I stood up for myself. I hope I get the job, then they leave me alone, and I can concentrate on getting out as soon as possible. I would rather look for work while I am working, than being on the dole.

Still no decision from the appeal though.

DPotter Sun 02-Feb-14 18:21:32

Good luck for tomorrow!

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