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To ask where is the moral outrage now?

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plinkyplonks Sun 01-Dec-13 11:54:51

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516270/Pregnant-woman-unborn-baby-girl-forcibly-removed-caesarean-social-workers-obtain-court-order-suffered-mental-breakdown.html

A woman gets forcibly sedated, a caesarian against her consent and her baby taken away - and its not even a top story on the Mail, here or anywhere? How can this possibly be legal?!

Mental health services in this country are an absolute disgrace. Having known people who have gone through the 'system', imo many those mental health 'professionals' abuse their position of power, show little care towards patients well being, use excessive force and are just generally unkind and unpleasant. And don't get me started on social workers.

I am angry for her - I can't think of any situation in which abuse of this kind can be justified? And yet Nigella's thread on here got thousands of comments here and on the Mail. Are we selective about which type of abuse we get angry about?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sun 01-Dec-13 11:57:13

There is outrage, on several threads.

There are also many posters pointing out that the Daily Mail article is highly unlikely to be giving the full and truthful story.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 01-Dec-13 11:57:34

You do know there's another thread running about this, don't you?

And people are upset about it.

If you'd bother your arse to go and have a look, instead of coming here and getting uppity because people aren't getting 'outraged' as quickly as you'd like, you'd see that.

LuisSuarezTeeth England Sun 01-Dec-13 11:57:36

Several threads on this if you look smile

SilverApples Sun 01-Dec-13 11:59:32
SilverApples Sun 01-Dec-13 12:01:05

This is either the 3rd or 4th thread I have read on here about this this morning alone.

I've read about it on facebook and on the news.

It's out there. I don't know why you haven't come across it.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Sun 01-Dec-13 12:02:20

There's plenty of outrage. Have you actually looked for the outrage?

SilverApples Sun 01-Dec-13 12:02:21

What heartbroken said.

Also, while I agree with you that mental health services here are a mess, they are a mess mostly because they are so limited and more likely to result in people left to deal with stuff alone rather than being overzealous. Overzealous mental health care is not the biggest problem facing the mentally ill here.

scaevola Sun 01-Dec-13 12:03:20

The "In the news" thread is the most active.

uptheanty Sun 01-Dec-13 12:05:16

Just another escuse for Social Worker bashing.

Can i point out please that the poor woman who this happened to would have been under a team of expert care in the hospital.
For reasons unknown to us, the specialist doctors, cosultants etc decided to proceed with a casarean.
In order to do this they will have needed permission from a JUDGE and they will have had to present a very damming case for removal for the judge to approve.

Due to confidentiality noone involved in the case will be able to put forward any reasons to the public why this was required. The woman who had her child removed is of course free to do & say what she likes.

Social workers do not have the authority to remove children, and certainly not from a womans womb.

SW write reports and make recommendations and many many many better qualified and experienced proff make the dufficult decisions.

Here's a question. Where was the moral outrage here when Mind released figures showing that 1 in 10 have to wait over a year for help?

scaevola Sun 01-Dec-13 12:10:09

Good point, Murder.

uptheanty Sun 01-Dec-13 12:11:00

Agree murder

What i would be asking is what help is this woman receiving now?

Probably bugger all.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Sun 01-Dec-13 12:28:43

Yes, what Murder said.

perplexedpirate Sun 01-Dec-13 12:31:59

Plenty of outrage.
Also, I have good friends who work in mental health and sacrifice huge parts of their lives to it, so fuck off slagging them off, cheers very much.

gordyslovesheep Germany Sun 01-Dec-13 12:34:23

absolutely spot on uptheanty

I am fairly outraged at the usual bashing of people trying to protect children and sad for the woman involved

ShinyBauble Sun 01-Dec-13 16:50:03

If they were concerned for her mental health before, I can't even begin to imagine what kind of state she is in now - especially if turned over to our 'wonderful' mental health services.

No wonder women on these boards are often more terrified of SS than they are of abusive partners/ex's.

plinkyplonks Sun 01-Dec-13 17:11:29

I've looked at the other threads posted... there's nowhere near the responses than to the Nigella threads or other less serious threads on AIBU.. ?

This is a huge issue, possibly breaching this woman's human rights and the abduction of a child, yet there are people here to trying to justify it as SS bashing?! We should all be angry for this woman, yet there are very few people responding to these threads. Do people actually agree with SS / courts actions or is it that people just accept this kind of thing happens? I am surprised people aren't demanding action?

RedLondonBus Sun 01-Dec-13 17:13:44

we have a reported 'snapshot' of what actually happened. that is all. most people are sensible enough to realise this.

gordyslovesheep Germany Sun 01-Dec-13 17:16:52

erm if the courts and social services had the facts and reached the decision they did who am I without any facts to get my knickers in twist?

Maybe they where RIGHT - now there's a thought OP

and stop using terms like 'child abduction' removing a child is a lengthy legal process but it is just that LEGAL, abduction isn't

MrsDeVere Sun 01-Dec-13 17:21:33

I don't really understand what you mean OP

There are threads everywhere. Its on FB and in the news. Its all over the place.

I think that most people understand that they can never really know what went on because of confidentiality, that the papers are going to report it in an irresponsible way and that the people involved are extremely dodgy and not likely to give a balanced view.

That is why it is hard to be totally outraged. Its like getting outraged at a FB story. You have absolutely no idea what has happened and its impossible to form a proper opinion.

Whatever happened or why, it is utterly tragic for the woman involved and I feel very very sorry for her.

pollyblue Sun 01-Dec-13 17:21:40

OP, what sort of action do you think people should be demanding?

Yes it is horrific, but upthe explains the likely background well, further up the thread. The information the public receive about cases like this is tiny.

On the face of it, I feel angry for the woman. But also I would feel angry if the professionals involved took no action, and the child was left in an unsafe/abusive situation.

Golddigger Sun 01-Dec-13 17:24:39

Looks like it hasnt been in the media long, so cant be compared to eg the Nigella story.

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