AIBU in thinking you shouldn't park across a dropped kerb?

(38 Posts)
janey68 Sat 23-Nov-13 09:59:45

On behalf of an elderly relative. She lives on a residential street where parking is a nightmare. Most houses are terraced with no off road parking, interspersed with a few houses which do have their own driveways. It seems that a number of residents with driveways have taken to parking not on their drive but across the dropped kerb in front, presumably because they are anxious about getting blocked in or because it means a tight turn to get out. My relative sometimes uses a wheelchair and its a nightmare trying to cross the street when the dropped kerbs are blocked. It must be a total pain for people with prams too. She doesn't feel she can complain because the culprits are the owners of the driveway; therefore they aren't blocking anyone else in or out of a drive. But to my mind that's not the point - surely no one can obstruct a dropped Kerb? I appreciate it must be a pain if you've ever been blocked into your driveway but surely these owners should park further along if they want to park on road?

K8Middleton Sat 23-Nov-13 20:40:01

Clearly I have been watching too much Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Kerb. Tsk.

K8Middleton Sat 23-Nov-13 18:56:06

Gosh this drives me bonkers. There is a dropped curb near me for pedestrian use in a residential area. It has double yellows next to it to indicate no parking. There is on street parking next to this curb but still selfish fuckers park there and then sit in the car and think that's ok because they can drive away if a warden comes. Never mind anyone with a buggy or wheelchair can't cross the sodding road angry On more than one occasion complete berks have parked there while I have been waiting to cross the road leaving me stranded next to their car which I then have to walk round angry angry One day I will "accidentally" scratch one with my buggy.

Not that any of that is relevant other than to say I feel your pain but what you need are double yellows by the dropped curb parking is allowed. Could you ask the council to put some double yellows on?

LadyMedea Sat 23-Nov-13 18:53:52

If it's a dropped curb for driveway access it isn't there to facilitate wheelchair access, that's just a bonus. So YABU.

LetZygonsbeZygons Sat 23-Nov-13 18:51:31

highway code article 243.

sorry cant work out how to do links.

and ive put this on peoples windscreens whwen they do it to me.

Depends. Our neighbours across the road have dropped kerbs. One of them uses their drive so I'd never park over it. The house next door has never ever used their drive in the 10 years we've lived here. In fact I couldn't tell you who lives there so everyone parks over it and there has never been a problem.

Have never heard of a dropped kerb over a drive being there for pedestrians. No one has ever mentioned it.

LustyBusty Sat 23-Nov-13 18:43:46

OP, have you and/or the wheelchair user mentioned this to the people blocking the kerb? I ask this because i occasionally park blocking my drives dropped kerb instead of in the drive and it would never have occurred to me that someone might need to use it for crossing road etc, however if it was mentioned to me, I would definitely avoid doing it if possible!

LustyBusty Sat 23-Nov-13 18:37:25

OP, have you and/or the wheelchair user mentioned this to the people blocking the kerb? I ask this because i occasionally park blocking my drives dropped kerb instead of in the drive and it would never have occurred to me that someone might need to use it for crossing road etc, however if it was mentioned to me, I would definitely avoid doing it if possible!

silverten Sat 23-Nov-13 12:22:14

No the payment to drop the kerb was a bit of a red herring- just saying that the drop might be there as a direct result of the parkers, not that they bought the right to obstruct it.

Tiredmumno1 Sat 23-Nov-13 12:20:00

The police also have the same attitude, they say that they won't get involved in cars being illegally blocked in, or the cars on the pavements, doubly confused.

Tiredmumno1 Sat 23-Nov-13 12:18:00

Yes enrique smile I was talking about in front of a driveway, not actually blocking the pavement, although the wardens don't care that cars do that either, even when you can't fit a buggy down the pavement, due to selfish sods parked on the pavement who don't care. The wardens just shrug their shoulders and refuse to ticket confused.

TrueToYou Sat 23-Nov-13 12:04:16

Sent someone not some money, sorry, new keyboard app! smile

TrueToYou Sat 23-Nov-13 12:03:20

This happened with my neighbours, I could never get my pram out. I rang the council, and they sent so money out to paint H Bars at the kerb.
It worked! They rarely block the path anymore. (their visitors, however.....)

allmycats Sat 23-Nov-13 12:01:17

I can understand people parking on the road outside their own drives, this week I have been blocked in 3 times by people parking across my drive way.

softlysoftly Sat 23-Nov-13 11:57:29

No sorry goaty someone else's the inconsiderate fool.

But it shows that the police will/should care about a complaint of this nature.

MinesAPintOfTea Sat 23-Nov-13 11:55:08

Posting in front of a dropped kerb (not on the pavement) is not permitted if the kerb had been dropped for pedestrian access or if you are blocking a car from accessing the highway without permission. So parking on the road in front of a dropped kerb for your own drive is legal.

enriquetheringbearinglizard Sat 23-Nov-13 11:49:41

Just realized, you're not talking about blocking the pavement are you? you're talking about simply parking on a public highway, but not leaving any access to the dropped kerb for pedestrians/wheelchair users etc?
Sorry.

enriquetheringbearinglizard Sat 23-Nov-13 11:46:26

Have I understood it right?
Road is a public highway
Kerb is dropped to facilitate access to a private driveway
Pavement is in public, not private, ownership but a right of access is available to the driveways in question.

If so I find this odd
The traffic wardens around my area say it's fine to do that. They will only ticket cars when they get told by the house occupier that it's not their car, if one is parked there.
that seems to imply that the wardens feel the house occupiers have a right to park on the pavement (but other motorists do not)

I looked here, scroll down to 244
https://www.gov.uk/waiting-and-parking/parking-239-to-247
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs
Law GL(GP)A sect 15

2goatytocare Sat 23-Nov-13 11:44:28

softly the police told him off for blocking his own drive?

CarmonEileen Sat 23-Nov-13 11:40:51

Our next door but 2 neighbour paid to have a dropped kerb as they had a tiny piece of garden that they turned in to a drive/car part, (Think ford focus size car side on infront of their living room window). He uses that to park one car and then uses the dropped kerb to park his people carrier. He paid for the kerb to be dropped so he can do what he likes. We struggle on a daily basis to park on our street, terraced houses and a few have more than one car per household, Some think its their right to park directly outside their house, others just park wherever they find a space smile

harticus Sat 23-Nov-13 11:39:48

In many parts of Spain kerbs are dropped for wheelchairs and pushchairs. Makes life so much easier - and lovely to be in an environment where it is not all about the car.

JuliaScurr Sat 23-Nov-13 11:39:37

Wonder what would happen if loads of wheelchair users met 'coincidentally' and had a nice long chat on the pavement just by that driveway?

nowahousewife Sat 23-Nov-13 11:39:25

The council said it was not their issue, not the new neighbours who apologised and said they didn't think it would be a problem confused

Misspixietrix Sat 23-Nov-13 11:38:21

YNBU. If they've got a Driveway they should bloody use it! <pet hate> There is some around my area that park right on the widened pavement as well instead of their double driveway. Can you ask your local PCSOs OP? I knew about the not obstructing a dropped kerb but not thought of the legalities of them parking across their own. Like you say its easy access for Wheelchairs and Prams etc too.

softlysoftly Sat 23-Nov-13 11:37:54

Not entirely sure but I think it probably isn't ok:

1 - I have a fine for blocking a dropped kerb. In fairness the road/pavement was so worn I didn't see it.

2 - BIL got a knock at the door from the police for parking across a drive

nowahousewife Sat 23-Nov-13 11:37:53

If my area the council are not interested if someone parks over your dropped curb as my friend found out when her new neighbours parked over her curb and left her trapped in all day. They said it was not their issue. Not a great start to their relationship!

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