To be a bit fed up they did not help me.

(39 Posts)
moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 11:50:18

DD who is in year 6 has had a project, they had ages to do it so its her own fault but last night she added something to it she had found out at her out of school volunteer activity, it was due today. only when we came to print (late because she had been helping at school all week then at a school event in the evening the printer decided to have a flop.

Another parent told me they knew kids who sent it in on usb and dd confirmed teacher had shown her someones project on usb so I went to teacher with usb and said i could hand it in like that or could bring it Monday and print at library at the weekend.

But no it had to be in today because they wanted to mark at the weekend but would not take the usb pen, this has meant that I have missed a meeting this morning (self employed ) to go and print it because dd has sen and was terrified of getting in trouble and had to walk four miles to nearest library to print the bugger off despite being poorly (have just been put on heart tablets and tablets for join issues) because library is no longer on a regular bus route from ours.

I KNOW we should have printed it earlier but she purposely left printing it because her volunteer class is at a museum that had info on her subject and she wanted to really try her best and the printer has been fine till now.

I KNOW its not their fault that printer buggered up but I never ask for help and I would have been willing to pay for the paper and ink in school.

It would have taken them two seconds to print it and instead I am sat in pain after trekking miles to sort it.

I know IABU but just a bit fed up I do loads for them and the one time we fuck up on something so basic they did not help.

IfNotNowThenWhen Fri 22-Nov-13 17:39:02

whats up moldingsunbeams?

Vivacia Fri 22-Nov-13 17:36:38

It sounds as though you were giving yourself a hard time with the trek to the library. Do you think you're having one of those times when you just need to give yourself a break and let a few things slide? I know I find that personally really hard to identify, let alone do.

moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 17:15:13

I came back to say I know I was being unreasonable, I said that at the start, I feel really crap because when I handed it in to teacher she was really lovely and very very grateful which make me feel awful.

Just having a really shit time at the moment, not the schools fault or problem.

MsFiremanSam Fri 22-Nov-13 15:07:50

A Xmas circumstance?! Interesting autocorrect!

HamletsSister Fri 22-Nov-13 15:00:06

I have printed out several pieces of work today. I accept work that is e-mailed, on USB or on paper. Ideally, they come in earlier and print it themselves (so my lesson time is not taken up with being a printer) but this can't always happen. How unkind and unnecessarily jobsworth.

MsFiremanSam Fri 22-Nov-13 14:57:07

I understand why you're annoyed and I think perhaps the teacher could have viewed this an Xmas exceptional circumstance.
However I have accepted work via email in the past and ended up spending a ridiculous amount of time printing it out, mainly because the printers in my school are useless and always break down, and there's always a queue. I also have an individual budget for printing, so if I use it all on printing work I don't have much left for lesson resources. Now I accept work to be marked via email and I email if back, but I expect students to print their own. I'm secondary though, so I teach a lot more kids.

IfNotNowThenWhen Fri 22-Nov-13 14:47:06

YANBU. I can't afford to replace the ink in my printer, and the library is miles away for me too, so I would have had to do the same as you, and would be pissed off too, especially due to dd's SEN.
I wish some of the teachers on MN would not get so ridiculously offainded when someone has a moan about a teacher. OP is moaning about one teacher, not saying "ooh those lazy teachers, why shouldn't they print all my dd's homework, after all they have nothing better to do".
People who say things like ""Your crisis is not my problem"" are basically illustrating all that is wrong with the modern world!
I wouldn't want a teacher who thinks like that teaching my dc, frankly.

moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 14:31:51

Fairy I am not just shrugging my shoulders, I have had seven school years of this with her, I am banging my head against a very big dent in the wall with her, I try, I sit her down and sit at the side of her, I have to do this with every piece of homework.

She can not work independently (thats a whole other story)

I have spoke to senco at the secondaries we applied for, they made notes. She will no doubt spend every break doing it but there are systems in place there which mean if I am at work she will get help still. Hopefully she will gain the skills to work independently at some point.

Honestly she just cannot do the amount of work she had to for the project independently.

moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 14:23:51

They are not allowed in at lunch as far as I know, it will not be an issue at secondary because she will have access to the computer and internet at lunch time and break times and homework clubs and an sen homework club. The secondary school give the kids usb pens (i know because dd got a school logo one at open day) and they can email.

So its just primary that's an issue really, tbh if we had had no computer at home there is no way I could have got to library after school (it would close before we got there) or weekend (we are not home) at all to do research so she would have done nothing at all other than what she could learn from in school books which I am guessing some kids must do or does everyone have a computer and internet at home now? I am not blaming school for that, just wondering in general really.

It is mostly my fault because she needs support and between her helping every night after school this week,out of school events and me working I have not been in same room as her to sit down and help her finish off.

WooWooOwl Fri 22-Nov-13 14:21:56

Really?

I think it's ok for teachers to be 'inconvenienced' in such a minor way for the children they are supposed to care about.

I have to say I wouldn't have much sympathy with a family that was generally chaotic who never made the effort to do as the teacher asked, but I don't think a bit of understanding for a family that usually always make the effort to support the school and education is too much to ask of a teacher.

DidoTheDodo Fri 22-Nov-13 14:19:42

Use crayons next time?

superlambanana Fri 22-Nov-13 14:19:32

Imagine the following post:

"My DD worked really hard on a project that was due in today and missed her breaks and lunches this week so she could use the computers at school to get it done. She's now really upset because one of the others left it til the last minute and has been given an extension til Monday. We both think this is really unfair."

Teachers have to be as fair as possible. If I got a pound for every time I had 'my printer broke' as an excuse for not handing in homework, I'd have been in Barbados and not a stuffy classroom grin

(This is directed less at the OP, who made a huge effort to get it in on time and accepts her dd shouldn't have left it so late, and more at the other 'teachers are mean' posters.)

fairylightsintheautumn Fri 22-Nov-13 14:18:43

I know you didn't say it OP, but the implication from your OP was that you had to do all this BECAUSE they wouldn't help you. This incident aside, you will need to think ahead to next year if you want your DD to avoid getting into a real pickle at her new school. She will have 2-3 subjects a night, different books to bring home and take in, different deadlines etc. You need to start helping her devise some strategies or her Y7 will be an endless round of late homeworks and staying in at lunchtimes etc. Nearer the time, be pro-active about talking to her new school about this - talk to their SENCO etc. You can't just shrug your shoulders and say "nah - she won't get any better".

Vivacia Fri 22-Nov-13 14:18:19

Or do I mean, "Your mistake is not my emergency"?

Vivacia Fri 22-Nov-13 14:17:30

WooWoo, I just think that on a Friday morning with 20-odd students coming under your care, it just isn't reasonable for the teacher to be inconvenienced because of another's mistake. "Your crisis is not my problem" springs to mind.

moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 14:09:14

"But next time your DD will be more organised"

nah she won't. her organisation skills are the crappest of the crap. I do try I really do. grin

fairylights I did not say that it was the schools fault that I trekked to sort it out, all the way through I have said it was our fault.

tweetytwat Fri 22-Nov-13 14:04:35

I think that if your DD has SEN and difficulty with handwriting then accepting the work on a USB/email is a reasonable adjustment

I sent in photos of the class bear on a USB last week because I don't have a colour cartridge at the moment and I am not willing to buy expensive photo paper for this.

School cannot reasonably expect everyone to have access to a printer at home IMHO. I wouldn't have been willing to walk to the library, that was very kind of you, but do speak to the school about what to do next time.

fairylightsintheautumn Fri 22-Nov-13 14:01:11

unfair to use marking as a reason but that is the main reason we impose deadlines when we do. I space my deadlines so different classes hand in big projects /essays at different times and it is MUCH quicker to mark a batch of something all in one go. You get into a rhythm of what you are looking for. Odd bits handed in separately are a total pain. So long as I have given several nights for a hwk I am very hmm when I get printer excuses. Even if they are genuine, they shouldn't be leaving it til the night before because it is SO often the case that things go wrong with IT. You DD could have done most of it and added the last bit on hand written the night before. Regardless of SEN I think you were OTT to go to the lengths you did to get it printed and it is not down to the school that you did - it was your choice. If she is in Y6 she will be at secondary school next year with SO much more to organise and co-ordinate. Are you going to go to those lengths every time something doesn't go to plan?

ormirian Fri 22-Nov-13 14:00:10

School budgets are fairly restricted. Printer ink costs, as does paper. One pupil needs their hw printed, not a problem maybe. Two, three, four a bit more of a problem. Especially over all the years. Next time a project is due in some pupils will have noticed that your DD didn't hand in her project on paper so will try the same thing (as your DD did). And it will grow.

USB sticks can carry viruses and other nasties which might explain the reluctance to do that.

Of course it might be that the teacher was ina bad mood, didn't want any extra work even if it only took 'two seconds' and was being arsey. But next time your DD will be more organised.

WooWooOwl Fri 22-Nov-13 13:59:40

I have plenty of understanding about the responsibilities teachers have thanks, I still think this teacher wasn't very nice to be so unsupportive.

If there was literally nothing they could do to help, then fair enough. Im usually the first one to jump in and defend teachers on MN, and i can understand why it wouldn't be acceptable for the teacher to have to mark the project after the weekend.

But I can't see why it would be that much of an inconvenience for someone at the school to have either accepted an email and printed out the work, or for the teacher to read the work on her computer. If the teacher could have done that, but chose not to, then I think they are being mean.

Vivacia Fri 22-Nov-13 13:45:15

The point is that somebody accused the teacher of not supporting the child and not doing enough to help. What if the teacher is trying their absolute hardest to support all of the children in their care, with all sorts of parental issues in the mix too? I get so pissed off with the casual judging and slagging off of teachers in a way which shows so little understanding of their responsibilities.

IdreamofFairies Fri 22-Nov-13 13:39:41

I thinks its a shame your dd school couldnt do more to help you.

The teacher should be sacked. If they won't sack her, then the OP should home educate her child so that she is no longer subjected to such meanness and lack of support to do well.

What was the point of this post /\ /\ /\.

how is it unreasonable to expect a teacher to help a child.

i know it doesnt help you now op but in my ds's school there is an option to use the school computer room for writing up on the computer at break and lunch time, or to go and print out there is a small charge but very handy for when my LP and printer arnt talking.

maybe worth asking if this maybe an option in the future

Vivacia Fri 22-Nov-13 13:38:00

I do wonder how you go on though without internet/library

You just said that hand-writing it is an option, but perhaps this is something to clarify with the school? Perhaps you could suggest they make a few computers available at an after school session?

MortifiedAnyFuckerAdams Fri 22-Nov-13 13:29:55

Would they not have allowed you to email.it.over?

moldingsunbeams Fri 22-Nov-13 13:25:41

There was an option to hand write it but dd has writing issues and could not have wrote so much easily and neatly.

I do wonder how you go on though without internet/library because our library is miles away and only open certain hours (community led) and basically if you work past five or past one on a Saturday you are knackered really. Its not somewhere the children could reach alone and there are a very small number of pcs and was only one book on the subject when we went.

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