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Animals vs humans round 2

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livingzuid Netherlands Sat 02-Nov-13 20:00:34

I was enjoying our previous debate started by Fifi. Not sure if we were done!

AIBU to think if faced with choosing a pet over a human (even if a stranger), you should choose the human?

The idea was brought up in another thread and put in life or death situation. Building on fire contains your pet and a stranger. You could only save one, who would it be?

I had a dog, Ralph, I cried my heart out when he died 3 years ago. The only dog I wasn't scared of! But I can't imagine leaving a person to die instead, no matter how my heart would break.

SharpLily Sat 02-Nov-13 20:20:14

Never mind a stranger - it's debatable I'd choose my husband over my dog. He weighs 97 kilos and I struggle to shove him back over to his side of the bed when he strays in the night. The chances of me being able to drag him unconscious from a burning building are pretty much nil. Now if he were conscious he'd be yelling at me 'go for the dog, you dozy twunt!'.

Does that make me reprehensible or pragmatic?

Spider7 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:20:49

Doughnut was lovely Ivy, at ever so... Dog biscuit too! Awwwe, you spoil me! Still choosing my doggie over you! Oh dear living, doghouse huh lol! Yeah I know lame but could not resist. Or rather chose not too! At for staring another thread.... I'm new to here so kinda boobed. Tolerant stranger lovers being so kind rewarded me with dog biscuit! Alas I too am being called away. By my dog who is urging me to come play. Dog or zealots.......? Easy call.... Woof woof!

Spider7 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:21:15

*Thanks ever so....

Ivyfairy Sat 02-Nov-13 20:22:07

No doughnut confused 'Twas a dog biscuit.

Human savers are the zealots grin How odd!

Spider7 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:22:10

Damn predictive! Thanks living that should be! And cheers for being with me :-)

UrgentNews Sat 02-Nov-13 20:25:40

Thanks 2tired, for once a hypothetical 'human saver' who isn't questioning the sanity of those who disagree with them. Here, have some cake

DiseasesOfTheSheep Sat 02-Nov-13 20:25:41

I'm sure one ought to save the human... But I like my dog too much to watch him burn.

I'm also fairly sure I'd be leading my horses out of a barn fire before rescuing anyone else. In fact, I'd go back for other people's horses before I went in search of humans grin

IdreamofFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 20:26:32

A human every time without question.

I have two dcs away from home at the moment. If one of them died because someone saved their pet I dont think I would in my great great grief be able to control my anger. Tbch I think the end result would be two needless deaths. I realise this makes me worse than the person who let my child die but in my defence I would have just lost part of me.

2tiredtoScare Sat 02-Nov-13 20:28:45

I'm sure there's room for more on JS's corpse, we could slide down the stairs and straight out the front door to safety

UrgentNews Sat 02-Nov-13 20:31:19

Zealot- 'a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.'

Someone in the first thread said that they would save someone who was in their house to hurt their DCs over their own pet. If that isn't an uncompromising pursuit of ideals then I don't know what is!

Right then people, how many of you are just saying they would save humans because it's the PC answer?

candycoatedwaterdrops Sat 02-Nov-13 20:38:29

The mental health slurs on the previous thread were grim. Says a lot about the people saying them! People were claiming the moral high ground whilst saying those horrible, nasty comments. Why MN lets disablism again MH stand, I don't know!

livingzuid Netherlands Sat 02-Nov-13 20:44:20

Idream that's fair enough. I can understand that. I go mental at the thought of anyone wanting to harm my family. I would include the pooch in that though and I know some wouldn't. The bonds that tie me to my dog go way beyond what I could ever feel for a stranger. Glad this is hypothetical though!

Candy - so far so good on this thread smile I am to bed now so hope that it stays that way as I was enjoying the last one.

Urgent - I live in the Netherlands where people are blunt beyond belief. Pc doesn't exist smile so I am embracing my adopted culture and saying dog all the way!

Ivyfairy Sat 02-Nov-13 20:44:44

"they would save someone who was in their house to hurt their DCs over their own pet"

I don't think that was the general opinion amongst the human savers, somehow! One person from the group of the same opinion does not make zealots of us all. Your quoting of the definition is correct, your application seems to have gone a bit awry, if you don't mind my saying.

What about the people/dog savers (more than one) who said they'd choose to save a dog/cat/hamster over a human baby? Extreme much?

Ivyfairy Sat 02-Nov-13 20:46:42

I told off one of the dog savers for using similar disablist language. It wasn't all one sided.

PrincessFlirtyPants Sat 02-Nov-13 20:48:33

The accusations of MH issues on the other thread were disgusting.

candycoatedwaterdrops Sat 02-Nov-13 20:50:36

I never said it was one sided but there were some regulars (who are loud voices on MN) who were horrid.

The previous thread changed my mind. If faced with a burning building containing a human and a dog, before saving the human I'd shout out "Which do you value more, a human or a dog" and depending on the answer I might hold the door shut.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 02-Nov-13 20:57:19

Changed it which way back?

TerrorTremor Sat 02-Nov-13 20:57:46

I'd save my pet.
But I'd save your child.

candycoatedwaterdrops Sat 02-Nov-13 21:01:27

I'd save a human but first, I'd check they weren't the MNers on my shitlist. wink

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 02-Nov-13 21:05:20

I would save the person without a shadow of a doubt. Whether the person is known to me or a total stranger.

I have pets. Have always had a cat or a dog. Currently both. I love them dearly.

The only circumstances in which I can imagine that I would not choose the person would be if I couldn't get to them. Physically couldn't get to them and the pet happened to reachable. And that's not really making a choice.

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livingzuid Netherlands Sat 02-Nov-13 21:11:39

Belated lol at the horses diseases!

trish5000 Sat 02-Nov-13 21:16:46

Feel I should talk a little more about saving everyone, no matter who they were. Yes, I would. As I said, I couldnt do anything else. But I am a Christian, so I believe that if a person once having beensaved from the fire, doesnt change their awful behaviour before they die, then yes, God will deal with them and they will go to hell. In other words, God deals with them, not me.

OutragedFromLeeds I was being facetious. I naturally would save a human before any animal - any decent person would, but now I'd consider making an exception for someone who'd let a human burn to save their pet. If such a person were in the building I'd hold the door shut to ensure they stayed there.

Don't worry. I wouldn't actually do it. I'd even put a person like that before a pet.

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