To have really lost respect for Jenni Murray(135 Posts)
NC specially for this.
DM article today (not linking to those cunts) in which she reckoned some things should not be shared even anonymously on sites such as Mumsnet. She also thinks we should be renamed "Mumsex" and questioned how pleased we would be if our male partners were talking about intimate details of our sex live and swearing on line, even anonymously.
I don't know about everyone else, but my DH is a big boy and might swear on the internet. I doubt he discusses our sex life, but if it was anonymous and he did to make someone laugh, or to help them, so what?
Jenni is shocked, even with all her knowledge of women's history at the swearing and the fact we share details of weirdest places we have had sex amongst other things. We also advice people to LTB at every little problem and some things should be kept in the bedroom.
Jenni, you silly cow, Mothers (they are women, you know) are as sexual as men. The chat on here and advice given has helped me have more orgasms in the last 4 moths than I have ever had in my life. That is a biggie to me. I know other Mothers (ie, women) have been helped in this way too. Should we be ashamed of liking sex, of wanting to find out more, of finding it funny, of wanting to compare notes anonymously?
LTB is not trotted out at every occasion, the pervasive tone of relationships is "take no shit". Is that so hard to understand? I thank my lucky stars every day for my DH, but I know if I had to put up with half of what is cited on some of the relationship threads, I would rather be (and would be) on my own.
So IABU is saying, STFU Jenni, and take your censorious attitude back to the 50's. I for one, won't STFU. Nice attempt to silence mothers again, and put them back in their place.
When I refer to prurient nonsense, I mean the shock horror mums talk about rude things type article, not MN.
There is an interesting article - can't remember whether it was the Indie or the Grauniad - that points out the fact that it shouldn't be so shocking that mums have sex as they had to do it at least once and it's all a big Madonna / whore thing going on.
This is the article in the Guardian.
Anyone who disagrees with LTB when the woman is being raped, beaten up, treated like a second class citizen, controlled through manipulation etc can quite frankly fuck off and I will call them a cunt all the live long day.
People who write about this site and manage to conveniantly miss all the threads which help people on a daily basis, support the berearved, make people laugh, etc etc can fuck off because they are either thick as shit, or have an agenda in which the strong woman does not figure.
Either way, once again they can all fuck off.
Jenni Murray needs to remember that not many years ago Cancer was not talked about in public and commonly hid behind euphemisms in private. However she like many women has talked openly of her own Cancer. There are still people (my Grandmother for one) who are a bit about that.
I am a bit about the glut of celebrity autobiographies that have a congealing effect upon the bookshelves including yours Jenni. Why would you want to spill your guts about your life- Silly me, you were paid to weren't you?
I myself rarely talk about my own sex life because I am quite private and my DH would not like it. One has to assume that the many adult women on here have similarly sought the opinion of their partners and know that they are fine about it.
Times change Jenni, my love.
What a weird article. Am surprised at JM.
I was once interviewed on Woman's Hour (part of my job). Was very awkward as the other guest was clearly an old friend of Jenni's so I couldn't get a word in edgewise, they were too busy nattering.
I think both her and the male journalist who wrote the Telegraph article need to get on with digging up some actual news in what is obviously a slow news week. At best they come across as a pair of busty busy bodies who have got nothing better to do than berate women for not staying where they belong - which is obviously keeping their opinions to themselves and wearing the carpet down between the kitchen and the bedroom. Utterly ridiculous.
Jenni Murray belongs to the old school that believes only certain types of people are allowed a platform for their opinions. If you've written a book or hold some kind of public office you are allowed to spout off publicly about whatever shit you like. Oh and of course broadcasters and other media types are totally OK to share their tedious thoughts with the rest of us.
But now, OMG! ordinary people are talking amongst themselves! Including women! Without any broadcasters or media experts on hand to tell them what they are allowed to think!
Whatever next - democracy?
zoob i think you have hit the nail on the head. MN is empowering to many people (including our male MN's) and we can entertain ourselves for hours
i spend too long on here so proving we do not need radio / TV for our entertainment, debate, ideas etc.
She sounds miserable and joyless.
I see it like this: mothers who are open about sex will pass said openness and maturity down to their children who in turn will have the tools to make sensible choices relating to their own bodies.
How is that a bad thing?
When you think of some of the really, really offensive shit you can find on the internet I am actually amazed at the amount of time and effort certain "journalists" have spent slagging off a site where grown women sometimes discuss sex.
Yeah it's funny how they don't trawl all those men's sites and discover -shock horror! -contrary to what they've believed up to now, lots of men don't believe women are equal human beings, they are actually old-school misogynist.
Not a lot on that is there?
I think that MN shocks people's perception of what it is. I remember all the fuss about Gordon Brown and biscuits and it came up on 'Have I Got News For You' and Ian Hyslop dismissed it as 'a site for young mothers'. I'm sure that a lot of people see it as 20something year olds discussing potty training and which pram to buy whereas it is all ages, some men, some without children, all backgrounds and covers the whole of life. I can't see why it should leave out sex. Maybe it comes a shock to Jenni Murray that some of us are her age and not remotely interested in nappy brands!
Perhaps someone should point the next journo in the direction of the sex threads on Gransnet - I think they might find that really hard to comprehend.
You gotta love Barbara Ellen though. This is something I will link to www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/27/talking-sex-on-mumsnet-not-shocking. Nice antidote to all the shite.
Kiss her ass Jenni Murray.
Impressed with Barbara Ellen, thanks for the link Mumsex.
Thanks, looking up thread, I think original credit has to go to Kim147 for linking first. I have my wine goggles on.
YY, Mignonette, my partner is more than fine about my anonymous discussions and disclosures. They have pleased him (after me, of course ) no end.
I've always loved Barbara Ellen
I find it really depressing that all the feminists throughout history appear to have struggled, fought and died to gain women the freedom to use misogynist swear words..........
I agree with Curlew. It also makes me swear more which is a real downside of MN. I find myself saying FFS in front of my son these days, so though I think a bit of Anglo-Saxon honesty is useful at times, overall it does have a negative drip-drip effect actually.
And sometimes there is a lot of vulgarity on MN that's not half as funny as it think it is.
Re. Jenny Murray, I think she's entitled to her view and see nothing wrong with her giving her honest opinion as a journalist.
I find it really depressing that all the feminists throughout history appear to have struggled, fought and died to gain women the freedom to use misogynist swear words.
Is that really all you believe those feminists before us have achieved?
"I find it really depressing that all the feminists throughout history appear to have struggled, fought and died to gain women the freedom to use misogynist swear words.
Is that really all you believe those feminists before us have achieved?"
You'd think so if you went by Mumsnet sometimes.......
But MN isn't real life. I don't think "cunt" is used by women (or men) nearly as much in RL as it is on here.
It's still a misogynist swear word, wherever it's being used!
Yes. And? So are lots of words, like "bitch" and "slut". It's not all "feminists throughout history ... have struggled, fought and died" for so I don't really understand what you're trying to say.
Surely the freedom to say it (and we should have the freedom to) is a byproduct of everything else that was achieved?
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