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High heels. Are they a conspiracy?(297 Posts)
So today I have spent eight hours in toe pinching, arch stretching, high heeled shoes. At work. By the end of the day I was glaring in envy at the men in their round toed, laced up, low heeled 'ergonomically designed' soled shoes, while I minced around like someone who had their feet bound in some medieval torture chamber. AIBU in thinking we put style over fucking comfort every single day and don't think a thing about it?? What are we doing?? (or is just me, wearing the wrong style of pretty, painful shoe?)
Horizon documentary 'how you really make decisions' is on Iplayer atm.
Very relevant to this discussion.
Pavlov... Sorry, was taking the mickey out of the twisted-sisters. I like the clip-clopping too. There was this fab round wooden staircase in a hotel in France that I used to gallop up and down on just for the hell of it...
lying that may be, but it's quite pleasing on my own ear you know. I do have hearing too!
atthestroke you knew what LadyFlump meant. She meant that everyone likes different things.
It does get very tiresome being judged by other women on what I decide I would like to wear on my feet and to be told I've somehow sold out on the sisterhood by wearing heels.
And again, that is personal choice. My mum thinks my shoes are ridiculous. I don't get her love of knitting. Everyone has something they love that others may not see the point in.
"I like shoes, other women like ridiculous handbags or extortionate face creams or stupid Pandora bracelets."
And some of us like none of these things.
Oh I love high heels, the higher the better. I find them infinitely more comfortable than flat shoes (I have a slightly twisted hip and flat shoes make my feet turn in and my ankles sore - high heels don't) and I can walk all day in 5" heels without a problem.
I like shoes, other women like ridiculous handbags or extortionate face creams or stupid Pandora bracelets. It's all personal choice.
All you naysayers let us heel wearers enjoy wearing our heels fgs.
Absolutely love my heels.
I am quite tall, but I think I look better with a pair of heels.
If you can't walk in them then they become a problem
I am all for deconstructing female ideals of beauty to see what lies beneath, however I'm with Lying on foot-binding- to suggest that the extreme cruelty of breaking children's feet and permanently disabling them is similar to me trotting out in a pair of heels (which I've been doing since age about 16 with no bunions, no back pain, no pain involved) is extremely ignorant of the suffering of others.
I don't mind the jibes over what constitutes sexy, out of fashion and so on, but that is just ridiculous and brings the whole argument crashing down. I feel very upset when I think about foot-binding, as I do about other types of permanent mutilation to female children.
I like heels and I wear high heels all the time. Assumptions as to what that makes me are really annoying. Last year a woman stopped me to lecture me about heels as I was going into an industry function. Considering I was going in to accept an award that my team had been nominated for in a male-dominated industry was clearly not enough to show my feminist credentials as my high heels surely negated all that. Some of us just like heels.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
"El naturalista" shoes are also something I've never seen the appeal of. Let's face it they're ugly. But probably pretty comfortable.
Anyway why promote threads from last year MNHQ?
Ladies, remember if you don't like ugly uncomfortable high heels you're one of those mean feminists ruining things -shakes fist-
Well, I'm a feminist and I love heels. I wear them all the time. Not ridiculously high heeels, but yes, high heels.
And I'm 5'10" so I don't really need the height. I'm certainly not doing it for the menz; my father and husband both don't get heels at all. But so what? Nobody's asking them to either wear them, nor approve.
I'm not going to sit here and try to deny that socialisation has played some part of my appreciation of heels. Of course it has. However, in this instance, I'm happy to go along with it.
I don't wear heels that are tight or pinch. I don't wear heels that give me bunions or otherwise deformed feet. My feet are just fine. I also don't need to 'use my brains' as someone suggested up thread, and switch to flats, fulltime. I do wear flats - I wear all sorts of shoes, but I'm not going to ditch heels completely because some random on the internet doesn't approve of them.
I'm a strider. I walk fast. And I'm tall. I stride in heels, I run in them when I need to, I find them just fine to be in. I wouldn't wear them if I didn't. And I certainly wouldn't wear any footwear that rendered me ridiculous. I don't understand why anyone would.
If you can't wear them or don't like them, that's fine. Because luckily, they're not compulsory. I won't be giving them up any time soon, however.
Ah, wondered when the feminists would pop their heads up to deride any choice that doesn't comply with their own views as being because we've been conditioned to be sexual objects. This I find more insulting than anything because it suggest that women are somehow victims or lacking in intelligence to make their own choices based on their tastes, rather than misogyny.
Women's choices are shaped and critisised more by other women than by men.
This thread is from 2013
Anyway, high heels are ugly and make annoying sounds when people walk.
They are rather nice boots, DistanceCall. I wouldn't be able to wear them as I don't wear trousers and I don't think they're go with skirts/dresses very well. They are nice though...
Pavlov... The 'clip clopping' is to attract a MALE, don't you know? ... The call of the heel.
What if we're not, itsbetterthanabox? I ask a serious question there. From my experience on this planet, if a woman is going to dress for anybody but herself, she dresses for other women. It's other women that judge, not men.
If we are actually being 'socialised' and bound by condition and convention, I'd suggest that it has nothing whatsoever to do with men.
I've thought about what you've said and it made me think of an event a few weeks ago; we had office photos taken and, as a very pale person who appears 'bleached out' in photos, I applied make-up with a trowel. In the photos, I still look a little pale but no longer 'ill'. Those photos are to go onto the company website, so my motivation is what?
a) I don't want to look pale and immortalised on the website as such;
b) I don't want my legions of male fans to see me like that;
c) My vanity will not allow me to be judged by female peers;
d) I just don't want to look anything but my best.
I make free choices as to how I spend my money, on what and how often. I believe that I make these decisions from choice.
What I don't understand is why, if women feel under such immense pressure to 'conform', they do not do something that would be positive and constructive, ie. challenge those that keep banging on about socialisation, construct and conditioning and get to the root of where that's coming from. I think to apportion 'blame' for this to men is a bit of a red herring because it comes from women. The reason for this possibly being that the majority of the population is heterosexual and therefore the object of such a woman's desire is going to be a man...
I really do wish that women would stick up for other women instead of knocking them down and judging them for every little thing...
i mostly like wearing heels (did) because they make me taller and they make 'clip clip' sounds on concrete.
I wear some kind of heel for most of the time (usually Geox boots similar to these ones: www.efootwear.eu/product-eng-48377-Boots-GEOX-D-Marian-2-ST-C-D24R8C-00043-C9999.html). They are very comfortable - the trick, I think, is having a relatively thick heel.
That said, you need to find well-made shoes, and they are inevitably rather expensive.
I'm not diminishing or dismissing. I have and would not call anyone an airhead. I feel the same pressures! There is clearly a huge amount of pressure on women to care about , worry about, spend time and money on their appearance and I feel the same pressure. I just think it's a positive thing to be aware that we are being socialised and then hopefully see that there are other options.
Plenty... I'm assuming you meant to be cutting and rude but it's lost on me as I don't understand much of your post.
Going back to your shoes... if you don't have control of which ones to put on then I don't know what to say. I have no idea what practices you're questioning but if you think they need questioning then of course you should.
I'm not the slightest bit uncomfortable thinking about why I do things and what they mean in my life. I just don't believe in slapping a whopping great big label on everything I think and do, finding some like-minded chums and stuffing myself into 'ideal' boxes. I care not a jot whether other people want to impose that on themselves but please don't apply it to me.
Now, as you've not indicated your heel height, I'm assuming that you no longer wish to talk about shoes? <head-tilt>
I've never worn shoes that I wouldn't be able to run away in. Shoes must be comfortable.
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