To be pissed off DH's work asking for my Mat B1?

(78 Posts)
QueenArseClangers Fri 25-Oct-13 14:10:38

DH is sorting out his paternity leave for this Jan when our baby arrives. His work have asked for MY mat b1 form. In the government/hmrc websites it states that this is not required and only filling in a self-certification form is needed.
What pisses me off is a) the mat b1 form is my personal document b) his work won't have data protection to deal with said document in confidence and c) the info is out there for employers to know that they don't need MY form.
Guess it's also just the principle of the the thing too. Got me in a right hormonal pregnant nark, aibu?

SHRIIIEEEKFuckingBearBlood Fri 25-Oct-13 14:48:28

Do they not? Why not, it comes from the mw, presumably they can ask.

KirjavaTheCorpse Fri 25-Oct-13 14:49:17

Well they do get given one. Like I did, a few months ago, for partners' paternity leave because some companies like to see it...

Is it really a big deal?

BigOrangePumpkin Fri 25-Oct-13 14:51:24

All you need to do OP is get DH to say to them 'I'm not sure if you're aware but you don't actually need to see the MAT B1 form' and if they contest ask them to check the HRMC website. Maybe they just like to see it? Just because the website says that they don't need to see if doesn't mean they can't ask, it just means they can't insist.

LittlePeaPod Fri 25-Oct-13 14:53:23

SAHM can get them for their partners. Your DH works for a coporate national newspaper from what you say. Therefore I find your comment about their confidentially procedures a bit naive. clearly this is something that they ask all fathers so his not been targeted.

Again you are been really unreasonable and difficult for no real reason.

Bue Fri 25-Oct-13 14:54:18

We issue them to all women because we know that the partner's work often want to see it, even if that isn't the guideline. However we also tell women NOT to give the original to their partner's work, just a copy - workplaces are always losing MatB1s!

QueenArseClangers Fri 25-Oct-13 15:03:02

Sorted out SC3 form now. It may be a big company but it has a tin pot local attitude/systems.
Thanks for all the replies mnetters, even if I don't agree with them I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to reply.

DrivingToDistraction Fri 25-Oct-13 15:04:33

My DH's work tried to insist they have the original of mine - er, I haven't even got it, my employers sent it to central HR.

I have only had a matb1 with my first child.
1 was working at the time. We now have 4 children, I never received another one.

UserError Fri 25-Oct-13 15:20:13

QueenArseClangers, I'm with you. It infuriated me when DP's company did the same and refused to accept it wasn't a legal requirement when he showed them the HMRC/Gov guidelines. Considering I worked for HMRC at the time, it infuriated me even more. I think it says volumes about how efficient and legally compliant HR departments are, if they're insisting on seeing something they have no legal right to see! Going by how DP was subsequently treated when he needed parental leave when I was seriously ill, it was definitely a warning flag.

Oooo, you've got me all wound up all over again and DS is three now!

QueenArseClangers Fri 25-Oct-13 15:40:47

Ha ha UserError glad it's just not me finding it infuriating! Agree entirely with ignorance of a seemingly unimportant employment rule sometimes being indicative of more blatant blase attitude towards good practice.

StephenKatz Fri 25-Oct-13 15:46:59

I was a SAHM in my second pregnancy. I was given a MatB1, and DH's work (massive hotel chain) asked to see it so I gave them it confused Didn't occur to me not to, or that they didn't need it to be honest!

Anyway, glad it seems to be sorted OP!

emsyj Fri 25-Oct-13 15:49:37

YANBU, I can't stand it when people don't follow the rules - the law says they don't need to see it, so they don't need to see it.

You can be as 'difficult' hmm as you like, they have no right to ask for it and you have every right to say 'no'.

Pinupgirl Fri 25-Oct-13 15:51:29

I am with you op and don't know why you are getting such a pasting-well I do because this is aibu and attracts the keyboard warriorshmm

Yanbu-they have no legal right to ask for this. I am sahm and have never been given a matb1. Dh asked for one in my last pregnancy as his work had asked about it and I directed him and them to the guidelines from hmrc.

BigOrangePumpkin Fri 25-Oct-13 15:54:44

I think it's more that there's really no need to be quite this upset about it.

JoinYourPlayfuckers Fri 25-Oct-13 15:57:44

I wouldn't have given it to them either.

That's YOUR personal information, it is about YOU.

You have no contract with your husband's employer, and they have no right to ask you to prove to them that you are pregnant.

ColderThanAWitchsTitty Fri 25-Oct-13 18:10:11

How can the Op be even a bit unreasonable about not wanting to provide paperwork that she doesn't have to provide? confused

This idea that you should just put up with employers making up rules and regs is why employers get to take the piss. GRRRR angry

Of course yanbu op.

ColderThanAWitchsTitty Fri 25-Oct-13 18:10:46

What if Op had broken up with her partner and didn't want to give him any of her paperwork?

Shellywelly1973 Fri 25-Oct-13 18:19:51

I had the same with dp's firm. They insisted they needed the Mat B1 form even though he'd filled in the SC3...

It didn't really bother me but it's annoying that large companies seem to ignorant!

RevoltingPeasant Fri 25-Oct-13 20:06:15

Colder that is actually a v interesting point! Would he then have a right to paternity leave? What if she banned him from the birth?

I'd never considered that... What does happen when a man breaks up with his partner before the birth, does he get pat leave?

SHRIIIEEEKFuckingBearBlood Fri 25-Oct-13 20:09:10

Colder then she wold have a point
A man is entitled to paternity leave if someone is having his child and he intends to act as a father if I undedstand correctly

DawnOfTheDee Fri 25-Oct-13 20:14:38

YANBU.

To me the OP isn't being difficult....she's been asked for something and has said 'no'. She's perfectly entitled to do this. And I agree how big companies can be very ignorant on issues like this. The company I work for doesn't seem to know very much at all about the rights of women on maternity leave. If other kind people hadn't tipped me off I'd have been screwed. Big time.

Actually, I think the OP Is not BU.

The guidelines and law says the company does not need to see the MATB1, so they don't need it, just the other form.

The OP does not work for that company so they have sod all right to expect her to hand over her own paperwork.

And it isn't just about this form. Companies with this sort of attitude can often be asking for other personal stuff from partners/spouses which they have no right to see.

pianodoodle Fri 25-Oct-13 20:25:47

I wouldn't have given it to them either.

That's YOUR personal information, it is about YOU.

You have no contract with your husband's employer, and they have no right to ask you to prove to them that you are pregnant

Yes this is exactly how I feel. That's probably part of the reason why they aren't legally entitled to see it as well.

HabitualHobbyist Fri 25-Oct-13 20:34:37

Sorry if I've missed this, but what is your DH's company's paternity pay? Do they just pay Statutory Paternity Pay, or do they top this up? If they top it up, I think they are being reasonable in requesting firm evidence of the pregnancy, afterall, it's a benefit in addition to the statutory minimum.

QueenArseClangers Fri 25-Oct-13 21:17:23

Just bog standard statutory paternity pay. I could slightly understand them wanting it if they were offering some fancy dan package but it's about £138 a week!

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