To think that Gove is correct?

(115 Posts)
Trapper Wed 09-Oct-13 07:59:10

Despite the consistently good GCSE and A level grades, we have been ranked 22nd out of 24 OECD countries for literacy and numeracy. AIBU to think Gove is correct to be challenging the status quo and shaking up education?

bronya Fri 11-Oct-13 06:34:35

And don't even get me started on how bad Gove's maths is regarding the 'all schools must be better than average' thing. Most PRIMARY school pupils (Y5/6) could tell him that's not mathematically possible!

EricNorthmansFangbanger Fri 11-Oct-13 11:45:26

Gove is a taunt. Hth.

EricNorthmansFangbanger Fri 11-Oct-13 11:46:29

*Twunt. Bloody autocorrect blush angry

SuffolkNWhat Fri 11-Oct-13 14:20:00

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soul2000 Fri 11-Oct-13 17:22:24

This a genuine question i want to ask.

Where has Micheal Gove got all these stupid ideas from, he is obviously a very articulate and bright man. He says he wants education to be better for everybody so why will he not listen to anybody.

I don't want to hear silly answers like he is a"TORY" so he wants to destroy education. He really want to understand why he just cant sit down and hear some constructive views in improving education.

I am sure that not every thing Gove says is "SHIT" and i am sure he is not
"EVIL" so why cant he just sit and listen to people with years of experience
who in the whole would like to improve education.

Christine blower though does teaching or teachers no favors though with
her socialist workers party stance.

Why oh why cant some moderate teachers or sensible union leaders get round a table and discuss like sensible educated adults.

This whole episode makes me sick it really does. The nonsense Micheal Gove is proposing is not going to improve our position in the international league tables is it.

soul2000 Fri 11-Oct-13 17:32:55

I really want to understand why he cant just sit down and listen. Sorry

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 11-Oct-13 17:58:25

"Why oh why cant some moderate teachers or sensible union leaders get round a table and discuss like sensible educated adults."

Because gove refuses to converse with teachers or their union reps.

pointythings Fri 11-Oct-13 17:58:50

The problem with Michael Gove is that he was born in poverty and then adopted by a wealthy family, who gave him the sort of 1950s very traditional private school education that was the norm then. It worked very well for him - I agree that he is an intelligent man - and it also worked well for a lot of his contemporaries. However, he and his people are a selective and not very representative sample of the population as a whole, and there is also the fact that we know a lot more now about what teaching methods work and which do not. Note that I am not talking about 'trendy teaching methods' here, I'm talking about evidence based stuff which is practised in many countries that perform better in education than the UK.

Michael Gove is convinced that what worked for him is the only way for education to work. He won't listen to anything that contradicts the success of his own experience. It's a huge blind spot. Then there's his lamentable lack of understanding of statistics as evidenced by RustyBear above - this is on the record, it isn't gossip! - and you can see how many of us might have concerns about his fitness to run education.

caroldecker Fri 11-Oct-13 18:06:31

Why oh why cant some moderate teachers or sensible union leaders get round a table and discuss like sensible educated adults

Because moderate teachers like the changes and sensible union leaders do not exist

pointythings Fri 11-Oct-13 18:26:46

carol sweeping statement much? Not one of my DDs' children like the changes (though they do agree there needs to be change) and they are by no means raving Unionised commies.

The teachers have tried to talk to Gove in a reasoned way and been rebuffed, called names and ignored. Are you surprised that they have now stopped trying? I'm not.

So far, every one of Michael Gove's grand initiatives has resulted in climbdowns and major modifications, as well as criticism from real experts - for example, Cambridge University's objections to downgrading AS levels. Someone who is told they are wrong so many times needs to learn from that and Michael Gove is refusing to do so.

soul2000 Fri 11-Oct-13 18:31:37

I also think another thing Micheal Gove sees himself as the heir to
Sir Keith Joseph.
Who was of course the great Tory "talent" from the right of the party. I have just been reading a book about Keith Joseph and despite
the fact that Joseph was born in To the Bovis building family and great wealth, the similarities in their views are uncanny, like Michael Gove Keith
Joseph was also intransigent.

Keith Joseph was brilliantly summed up on interview with "TONY WILSON"
as "THE MAD MONK" I fear Michael Gove might be the same.

My oldest child is in Year 11. Last week they did the mocks for English and Maths. She got As in both but really wants A* (I don't give a stuff tbh. Anything above C is fine with me). She is now very motivated and focused on November BUT her school are trying to work out what the hell to do. She may not be able to take the exam she's been working towards. It's unbelievable that the changes affect the current cohort. Gove is actually playing politics with the life chance sof our children. There is talk too of uncertainty over grade boundaries. Again because of political manipulation.
I can't stand any of the coalition but Gove is right up there are one of the worst. Stupid (yes Michael you actualy are as thick as they come, you're just too dim to notice) and blinded by ideology.

Wish he'd come on for a webchat............

pointythings Fri 11-Oct-13 18:45:41

Yes, Northern it's the mid-stream goal post moving and the political manipulation of real people's lives that makes me angriest about him. To Michael Gove, children are tools to further his political career, tools for him to score points with. He doesn't care when thousands of them don't get the marks they would have had without his meddling, wrecking their plans for further education. They aren't real people to him at all.

jamdonut Sun 20-Oct-13 14:19:01

TBH, Gove is the only reason I would not vote conservative at the next election. They either get rid of him or lose my vote.( And I have always voted conservative, since 1982). I never thought I would ever say that.But enough is enough ,already.

I can't be the only one who thinks like this.

To be fair, I think I have already made my mind up.

Worried123456 Sun 20-Oct-13 23:48:44

I totally agree, jamdonut; we cannot be the only ones either!

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