To ditch the idea of Grammar as DD isn't good at maths?

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ICameOnTheJitney Sat 05-Oct-13 12:46:41

despite the fact that she's extremely good at literacy? She's in year 5 and one of the youngest but just flew through a test paper for verbal reasoning in literacy but the maths made her go confused

I COULD get a tutor couldn't I....she's "ok" in maths but finds it a struggle...her grade is as expected for her age....but she'd need a BIG leap in the coming year.

Considering we have excellent state secondarys here shall I just forget Grammar or put her through a year's worth of hothousing?

PatoBanton Thu 10-Oct-13 10:40:36

The school refuses to acknowledge that he might have any difficulties. The senco is lovely but dotty and about as much clout as a wet lettuce leaf, if you can actually find her anywhere.

He's had the 10 minute 'dyslexia test' a couple of years ago and it was just, some elements but not enough. The proper assessment too 2 hours and he was either dyslexic according to that or just immature (he was 7)

The super selective one has a SN unit - very helpful - but of course there is getting in in the first place to contend with.

I would go for it in terms of working hard this year towards the aim of getting into the grammar. It's great that she's doing so well with literacy which shows how bright she is, so a little extra work on maths this year and she could get in. Then she'd have 7 years of excellent education ahead of her, with like-minded peers.
I wouldn't worry about the travel, I know so many children who travel a long way eg to DCs and other schools, and they soon seem to adapt and grow up so quickly once at secondary.
For me it's the opportunity to be with hard working like-minded peers in a good learning environment that's so appealing.
Don't rule it out for her, but go for it, but at the same time try to keep a sense of perspective about the whole thing.
It's a great life skill to be able to go for things you want whatever the outcome flowers

PatoBanton Thu 10-Oct-13 10:41:07

he's 10 and a half btw.

QOD Thu 10-Oct-13 10:41:12

My dd had a tutor for maths thru yr 5. She was doing great, school burnt down, massive trauma, new temporary site, hour travel each way, male teacher, anxiety etc meant she ended up in special maths class in year 4 with children who struggled in every subject.
Tutor, who taught at another primary, assessed her and said she had the ability but was missing chunks of basic maths.
Hour a week, fun sessions, scored 117 out of 140 in grammar test, working alone of course.
She's now year 10, predicted B at GCSE in May and currently getting B's in test papers and course and they think she'll get an A.
So, on the surface, she was in a special needs class in yr 4 and shouldn't be at grammar school. But because you do know your own child, I knew the school and situation she had been put in had failed her.
If none of the issues had happened and she was in sen class for maths, I would have still had her tutored, but she would have failed the test miserably.
She's not had any help since yr 6

curlew Thu 10-Oct-13 10:41:44

What NC levels is he working at?

PatoBanton Thu 10-Oct-13 10:43:08

I'll go and dig out his report!

AFAIR he is (assessed at end of y5)

end of y6 level on reading, average on writing and slightly above on maths.

curlew Thu 10-Oct-13 10:46:40

One more thing. Talk to the SN people at the super selective before you make any decisions. It is very likely that their expertise will lean towards the autism/asperger's spectrum than towards dyslexia/processing issues.

Ask a lot of very searching questions..............

olgaga Thu 10-Oct-13 11:43:14

"There's one myth to start with. The suggestion that in fully selective areas there are grammar schools and comprehensives.

But those fully selective areas you refer to are few in number. Trafford, Buckinghamshire, Slough, Torbay, Southend, Kent and Medway. So in the majority of authorities it is not true to say that non-selective schools are secondary moderns.

Increasing demand has led to steady expansion of existing Grammar Schools in these areas. Many of the 164 Grammar Schools have 10 applications for every place.

A further 29 authorities offer a mix of GS/Comp/SM (sometimes now called High Schools, Community Colleges or All-Ability).

Which leaves 138 fully Comp LEAs.

The real myth is that there is no selection in non-selective authorities. In fully Comp areas selection is based on what catchment area you can afford to live in - social selection - rather than the 11 plus. There are excellent, good and bad Comps just as there are excellent Grammars, good Comps/SMods and bad Comps/SMods.

There are parents with academically talented kids who will move to a selective area for the perceived educational opportunities. There are parents who will move to the catchment area of a good Comp or a specialist Arts/Science/Language/Performing Arts/Languages school for the same reason.

The real myth is that there is no selection in "non-selective" areas.

Of the 100 most socially selective schools in the country, 91 were comprehensives, eight were grammars and there was one secondary modern.

PatoBanton Thu 10-Oct-13 11:47:04

Interesting point Curlew as our guide told me it was called the 'ASD unit' 'whatever that means'! So you may well be right.

Thanks again.

LaQueenForADay Thu 10-Oct-13 17:00:50

Pato yes, I agree with curlew it's very likely that at the grammar school their experience of special needs will most likely just be with pupils on the ASD spectrum - cognitively they are very high fuctioning, but there might be societal issues which they need support with. But I very much doubt any of them have difficulties with maths, iyswim?

RussiansOnTheSpree Sun 13-Oct-13 17:18:44

There are plenty of kids with dyslexia and dyspraxia at my DD1s super selective. Do they get the support that apparently is on offer at posh schools? No. They don't. Do they get the same or better level of support as available at other state schools in the county? Yes they do. Is the level of SEN support at the girls grammar in the neighboring LEA miles better than at DD1s school or DS's comp? Yes it is. Conclusion? You cannot generalise. Some posh schools are good at dealing with SEN issues, some are not. It's exactly the same with grammars and comps and no doubt sec mods too.

One thing I would suggest is to not pay much attention to someone who says (of grammar schools) that 'by definition they are often not very well geared up for dealing with special needs'. That statement shows a shocking lack of understanding of both grammar schools (in general - it may stem from a detailed knowledge of one single grammar school I guess) and special needs. Many kids with SEN conditions have extremely high IQs. There is no definition of what grammar schools are or should be that excludes kids with SEN conditions.

Willshome Sun 13-Oct-13 17:36:56

"Her grade is as expected for her age." In which case, why are you fretting? She would almost certainly improve in maths with plenty of support from you through homework (no need for tutoring). The question of grammar or not grammar is a political one and of course she would flourish at a non-selective school too, but she is not unfit for a grammar school because her maths is average.

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